[orz]

Nice job ignoring the economics. Race, poverty and crime go hand in hand. A poor person from a poor, crime-ridden neighborhood probably ain't going to do too well in school and get the grades and money to move up. Not too many blacks get a chance to be raised in suburbia like whites or asians, and the few I've met wouldn't pocket gum from a convenience store. You find a statistic saying middle class blacks commit more felonies than middle class whites and then we'll start talking about race.

The case you're making is to not be in any city that is full of poor people, which is pretty obvious.

And considering you're european, I don't even see why you should even care.

[foodnotlawns]

You're absolutely right, Leaf!

The Stranger
(Canadian)
Rudyard Kipling


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THE STRANGER within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk—
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
They are used to the lies I tell.
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy and sell.

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control—
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf—
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.

[LadyRuby]

I think we need a board just devoted to the racists. Keep all your crap in one place.

[shakespear1]

How about their own website

[lorenzo]

No, the racist remarks are highly interesting.

When these cities (ghettos) "erupt", the problem is that the White Man panicks, and takes out his war guns, while the black man does the same. And they start shooting each other. This is the history of the U.S. in a nutshell.

When ghettos like those around Paris erupt, you only see symbolic action, no guns (notwithstanding a few exceptions).

That's the big difference. The US is a racist society with guns. Which is of course much more troubling than having a racist society without guns.

[gnm]

I'm going to have to disagree with you Lorenzo, it generally isn't white vs. black shootings in those tough areas. Sadly the single biggest threat to a young black man in the urban ghettos is another of the same. I think it has little to do with race and everything to do with poverty really.

-G

[Falstaff]

If it's really all about poverty, why is it that so many people can come here from Mexico with NOTHING but the clothes on their backs and after 6 years of hard work, become homeowners? Most "poor" blacks live in public housing, get welfare, their offspring get free lunch and breakfast (Headstart Program), have preferential treatment in civil service job testing, preferential treatment in university admissions, the list goes on and on. At some point are any of you liberal apologists going to realize that there is something about black culture or black people that just MAYBE MIGHT be contributing to their absolute failure to succeed in any society worldwide, including Africa?

[Trindelm]

I don't know where to start here but going back to the Paris riots. Consider that most Arab Americans are doing quite well for themselves. However in Parisian suburbs irresponsible but well intentioned social programs for people immigrating from Arab countries and lingering resentment among Algerians causes France to periodicly erupt in violence.

I doubt you would want to go through these ghettos as much as you would through South Central LA, Cabrini Green or the 9th Ward.
But to play devil's advocate, how come Native American Reservations or Appalachia with all the resentment and hellhole conditions be it land taken from them or being grandchildren of indentured servants do not experience the same level of violence.
My theory it seems that most of the violence stays within that particular group. Its only when the violence spills over to the more affluent groups is it then a problem.
We all have genetic tendencies the day we're born, be it a predisposition for a Doctor, Mechanic, Architect or Cubicle Cog. ON the flipside so is criminal behavior, one may be a thief another, the next John Wayne Gacy (why are most serial killers white?). However no one racial or ethnic group holds the monopoly on either of these qualities. We may face some hard to swallow facts on the Nature vs. Nurture debate, but what bothers me is that ones with racist tendancies will jump on this and justify that they were right all along this or that group are stupid or sleazy or greedy.

I really hope that the majority of the people visiting this post will not make quick judgements based on melanin content or eye shape and the like.

If there is this apocalyptic crash of civilization, you may find yourself surprised that the person who saves your life may be in that racial group you formerly despised. PC, non-pc or libertarian, God has a funny little way of giving our cherished beliefs the reality smack down.

[FireJack]

I fail to see how leafs blantent racists opinions are allowed. Do you think black people should be herded up and slaughtered holocaust style or that blacks are predisposed to crime and violence and should be treated as criminals.

I think leaf should be banned, this shouldn't be allowed. This isn't the white supremecy boards.

[foodnotlawns]

Another calling to ban someone who expresses a politically correct opinion!

Don't you realize that 100 years ago nearly everyone thought like Leaf and I do?

You've been brainwashed by the same group of people, who used to call themselves "The Communist Party." Looks like they one, eh? Nothing like a little re-branding to confuse the stupid goyim-herd:

"While inflaming the negro minority against the Whites, we will
endeavor to instill in the Whites a guilt complex for their
exploitation of the negroes, we will aid the negroes to rise in
prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the
world of sports and entertainment.

With this prestige, the negro will be able to intermarry with the
Whites and begin a process that will deliver America to our cause."


- Israel Cohen in 1919

One of the founders of the American Communist Party

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', '"')While inflaming the negro minority against the Whites, we will
endeavor to instill in the Whites a guilt complex for their
exploitation of the negroes, we will aid the negroes to rise in
prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the
world of sports and entertainment.

With this prestige, the negro will be able to intermarry with the
Whites and begin a process that will deliver America to our cause."

[Falstaff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FireJack', 'I') fail to see how leafs blantent racists opinions are allowed. Do you think black people should be herded up and slaughtered holocaust style or that blacks are predisposed to crime and violence and should be treated as criminals.

I think leaf should be banned, this shouldn't be allowed. This isn't the white supremecy boards.

[gnm]

Falstaff I am no liberal. But you have a point - perhaps I should have qualified that as " a culture of poverty" - In other words people who are accustomed to a sense of helplessness and who have never had examples of hard work in thier families etc. They have a name for it here - generational welfare. People who live on government handouts have no motivation to work. I've seen it here. generations of people who sit around onthe porch and drink. Hell half of them can't even read. A social saftey net should be there to help people get back on thier feet - loss of a job for a single mom that sort of thing. But it has expanded to become a way of life.

Your tax dollars at work. Cut off the welfare and we'll see how fast people get motivated.


-G

[Trindelm]

yeah I'm with you on that gnm.
Any culture of entitlement is ultimately destructive on a society. I am reminded of the Roman Bread and Circuses. It's just plain old human nature, get the most you can with the least amount of work. If you don't get it or get more, than you are getting screwed, time to riot they say.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'Y')our tax dollars at work. Cut off the welfare and we'll see how fast people get motivated.

[gnm]

No I agree completely. Corporate welfare is a huge problem also. It also heavily masks the real cost of a product (such as oil) and basically throws a wrench in the whole notion of competition and free-market economy.

And basically I'm real damn sick of them taking my money.


-G