Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 11:10:24

From U.S. News & World Report:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Betting on home prices
By Paul J. Lim

It's either a sign of a top in the housing market—or a tacit recognition that investors, after gorging themselves on real estate over the past decade, need some way to hedge their enormous housing market bets.

Either way, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange's plan to launch a new financial product next year that would allow investors to bet on the direction of residential real estate without actually buying homes is sure to attract interest.

The CME, which operates the world's largest futures exchange, recently said it would create housing-price futures contracts by the second quarter of 2006. The products are designed as a way for large investors, and especially institutions with giant real-estate holdings, to hedge their bets on the housing market in a particular city by buying futures contracts.

But the flip side is that investors could also use these products to place bets that the housing market will continue to boom—without actually having to go to those cities and buy real properties.

The exchange wouldn't be the first institution to bring such a product to market. HedgeStreet, an Internet-based financial exchange, already allows investors to wager on home prices in six cities: Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, San Diego, and San Francisco.

But the CME is a much larger player in the derivatives market and would add instant credibility to such a product. Moreover, its housing price futures contracts would allow investors to bet on the direction of real-estate prices in 10 key markets: Boston, Chicago, Denver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, San Diego, San Francisco, and Washington, D.C. The CME would also allow investors to place bets on the direction of a composite index of all 10 cities.

The Chicago Mercantile Exchange "is continually developing alternative investment products for customers seeking to better diversify their risk," says CME Chairman Terry Duffy. "With residential real estate as a significant asset class, these new contracts represent the creation of a novel derivatives product group that could attract new users to our markets."

CME Chief Executive Officer Craig Donohue added that "even as the Federal Reserve valued the U.S. residential real estate market at nearly $19 trillion in 2004, there is presently no liquid market or efficient means of hedging real estate, unlike the stock and bond markets. These products can provide market participants with an efficient hedging mechanism for real-estate risk and allow them to effectively diversify their portfolios."


What's next? Vegas bets on home price appreciation?
Last edited by emersonbiggins on Mon 14 Nov 2005, 17:29:36, edited 1 time in total.
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
User avatar
emersonbiggins
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5150
Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Dallas

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures... Chicago M

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 17:29:25

shameless self-promotion...
*bump*

:-D
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
User avatar
emersonbiggins
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5150
Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Dallas

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 18:15:08

Lady you are right on the money. Be thankful you live in Texas not California, Florida, Nevada Or New Jersey. Property Values in those states are doubling every 5 years and just does not make sense. People are refinancing to the hilt and they will be so upside down like a car note.

From your perspective, Let me ask you this. Which irritates you more- the Housing prices or bland Architecture on the house being financed?

:lol:
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
User avatar
PrairieMule
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2927
Joined: Fri 02 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 18:28:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', ' ')Which irritates you more- the Housing prices or bland Architecture on the house being financed?

:lol:


Being a guy with a background in architecture, I'd have to say the latter choice. Seeing 60/70's ranch-style homes appreciate by 20% a year is sickening (among the worst houses out there for build quality). The McTrash is not much better. 4500sf attics... :roll:
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
User avatar
emersonbiggins
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5150
Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Dallas

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 18:55:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', ' ')Which irritates you more- the Housing prices or bland Architecture on the house being financed?

:lol:


Being a guy with a background in architecture, I'd have to say the latter choice. Seeing 60/70's ranch-style homes appreciate by 20% a year is sickening (among the worst houses out there for build quality). The McTrash is not much better. 4500sf attics... :roll:


Sorry, my bad Mister E-B!!

I work as a credit analyst for a motrgage company and I am just astonished by the market values that come back. I see Middle Class Californians refinancing their house every 6-9 months adding $5-7000 worth of fees and points to the principle.
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
User avatar
PrairieMule
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2927
Joined: Fri 02 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 19:06:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'S')orry, my bad Mister E-B!!

I work as a credit analyst for a motrgage company and I am just astonished by the market values that come back. I see Middle Class Californians refinancing their house every 6-9 months adding $5-7000 worth of fees and points to the principle.


NP - my ID is pretty gender-neutral, I must admit.
On a related note, hopefully it's not too obvious but 'emersonbiggins' = 'Them are some big ones', as in 'tatas'...LOL. Could be juevos too. :P

I hear you on the refi end of things - amazing. Everything smells like a bubble these days. Did you know Californians are buying up new houses in TX & OK and flipping them, just b/c of the price differentials? They're pricing renters and first-time buyers right out of the market. :x
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
User avatar
emersonbiggins
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5150
Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Dallas
Top

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 19:34:24

Here is an example. I bought a 3/2/2 1932 sq foot house built in 1975 got $95K in 1999. In 2004 it appraised for $130K but has backed down to 120ish. That same house in Sacramento California would go for $375,000 then reappraise for $425K next summer when 4 yrs ago it was purchased for $250K.

Clever name, but if someone said Look! emersomebiggins. Dolly Parton would come to mind first.
8O

What kind of Architect are you?
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
User avatar
PrairieMule
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2927
Joined: Fri 02 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 19:42:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '
')What kind of Architect are you?


I working at a firm that specializes in educational architecture right now. I'm still too young to head out on my own, but one of these days... :)
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
User avatar
emersonbiggins
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5150
Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Dallas
Top

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 19:42:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '
')Clever name, but if someone said Look! emersomebiggins. Dolly Parton would come to mind first.
8O


True, but I was hoping that it would appear like it was a comment FROM me, not necessarily OF me. LOL. :P
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
User avatar
emersonbiggins
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5150
Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Dallas
Top

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby Pops » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 19:55:45

Before we get too off topic; my opinion of futures speculators is thus:

They are less than a cockroach; at least a cockroach adds something to the system, even if it is cockroach shit.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
User avatar
Pops
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 19746
Joined: Sat 03 Apr 2004, 04:00:00
Location: QuikSac for a 6-Pac

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 20:13:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')efore we get too off topic; my opinion of futures speculators is thus:

They are less than a cockroach; at least a cockroach adds something to the system, even if it is cockroach shit.


Don't forget, Cockroaches do create more jobs than Future Speculators in the private sector,

http://www.killsbugsdead.com/

the Public Sector

http://www.idph.state.il.us/envhealth/pcsaferoach.htm

and Enviromental Lawyers

http://www.caprep.com/0105035.htm
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
User avatar
PrairieMule
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2927
Joined: Fri 02 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries
Top

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby lowem » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 21:41:34

Wow! Does this mean we can finally short the housing market? :lol:
Live quotes - oil/gold/silver
User avatar
lowem
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1901
Joined: Mon 19 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Singapore

Re: First, pork bellies and now HOUSING futures...

Unread postby lowem » Mon 14 Nov 2005, 21:46:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'D')on't forget, Cockroaches do create more jobs than Future Speculators in the private sector ...


Right! A live cockroach does nothing; a dead cockroach does nothing.

But a dead cockroach killed by a "pest management company" has done its part and contributed to the GDP! :lol: At least, according to those darned economists ... :twisted:
Live quotes - oil/gold/silver
User avatar
lowem
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1901
Joined: Mon 19 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Singapore
Top


Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron