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Tax Reform

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How does the proposed Tax Reform affect you?

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Tax Reform

Unread postby bruin » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 15:58:56

How does the proposed tax reform affect you? The big changes are that you can no longer deduct state and local taxes and the mortgage changes. Mortgage interest will be limited to the first $412,000 in higher priced areas. Also, it will be changed to a credit of 15%, so if you are in a bracket above that, you will pay more taxes.

The bone they throw to compensate? No more AMT.

Overall however, these amount to a huge tax increase by themselves. Read my lips, higher taxes.
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby FoxV » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 16:24:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'O')verall however, these amount to a huge tax increase by themselves. Read my lips, higher taxes.

about time the US increased taxes. All I've heard these days until now is about Tax cuts. I was really starting to wonder how you guys were going to pay for Bush's adventures (foreign banks will only throw away money for so long).

can anybody provide a link to a good report on the new taxes (ie, how much are they increasing revenues, who gets screwed, how they plan to collect them from a nearly bankrupt population, ect...)
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby bruin » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 16:28:26

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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby falser » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 16:31:59

These changes were just final "proposals". It's fairly likely this will get voted down in Congress - how many of them do you think will be hurt by these changes? But I hope it passes, they should've gone further because they gotta pay for Iraq somehow.
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby nth » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 16:49:52

Most of us will pay higher taxes, but don't be fooled. This is no tax hike. This is a huge tax cut for the wealthy top 0.3% of Americans.
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby bruin » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 17:13:35

This article has more details:

Marketwatch link
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby basil_hayden » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 17:25:07

Once again, i make life plans according to the rules, and they change the rules. This elimination of the mortgage deduction really smells bad. On paper, it's supposed to hit the rich more than the middle class, but let's face it - the rich can handle it, the middle class and poor cannot. This is essentially my only deduction, without it i'm screwed.

edit- As it was described last night in the news, this was proposed to simplify the tax code. HOW EXACTLY DOES ELIMINATING A DEDUCTION and ADDING A CREDIT SIMPLIFY THE DAMN TAX CODE? More BS for the masses.
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 17:36:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'O')nce again, i make life plans according to the rules, and they change the rules.


Certainly if you're old enough to own a mortgage, you're old enough to realize 'life ain't fair.' Renters have been getting screwed for decades.
The interest deduction is and has always been a concession to the homebuilding industry, and amounts to little more than yet another inducement to homeownership that's unnecessary and outrageously expensive.

Fear not, though. Because something like 70% of Americans own their own homes, I doubt this proposal will make it out the door.
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 20:33:38

limiting tax deductions for home-mortgage interest
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby Bobbotov » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 12:35:57

Isn't eliminating state and local tax deductions and then being charged for that in federal taxes as taxable income result in double taxation? Did we not start a revolution over stuff like this?
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby Novus » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 14:17:54

This is what Americans get for voting Replican. Another tax cut for the rich payed for on the backs of the working poor. The AMT is only thing that keeps America from sliding back to the age of robber barons when the rich payed no taxes at all and most of America was dirt poor.
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby holmes » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 14:23:26

and the dumb fuc sheople support this and not gas tax. Pure unadulterated idiocy. Herd them up and put them out to pasture I say. Thats all they are a protein source. Brand them and viola u got some cattle. They need daily beatings tho this new cattle. It tenderizes the meat. :)
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Re: Tax Reform

Unread postby holmes » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 14:28:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bobbotov', 'D')id we not start a revolution over stuff like this?


yeah but there would only be about 2 million or so who would. Pukes are running the show. the 2 million or so are smart we know we are outnumberd. Thes pukes will call the cops and the army immediatlly to save their dependent worthless asses. Mommy! Mommy! theres some bad guys out there. Help us. we need help. WHHAAAAAAAA!
Someones trying to hurt mommy and daddy(gubmint).
we cant hold a candle to our pre ww2 generations. Fuckin tv zombies. Things like this make me realize how worthless most fragile little goo goo ga ga humans are when it comes right down to it.
goo goo ga ga goo goo ga ga
rock a bye baby on the tree top when the tree falls the cradle will rock and down will come baby cradly and all.. Goo Goo Ga Ga Goo .. whaaaaaa! Baby want baba..
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