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Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil"

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 04:38:46

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=134]The Virtues of Gas Guzzling:
Why I Don't Believe in "Peak Oil"[/size]

Since I don't believe in "peak oil" (the notion that world production is peaking and will soon slide, plunging the world into economic chaos) and regard oil "shortages" as contrivances by the oil companies and allied brokers and middlemen to run up the price, I fill my aging fleet of 50s and 60s era Chryslers with a light heart, although for longer trips these days I fill an 82 Mercedes 240D with diesel. True, diesel these days costs more than high-octane gasoline but the Mercedes gets 35 miles to the gallon, whereas the 59 Imperial ragtop and the 62 Belevedere wagon get around 18 mpg, which is still way ahead of the SUVs.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd what of "peak oil", the theory that oil is about to run out? Since we're all supposed to be dying of avian flu in the near future, who cares since there'll be no one around to work the pumps or even drive up to them? I don't believe in any effective role of man-made CO2 in global warming, a natural cyclical trend. I think the mad rush to throw money at the pharmaceutical companies for an avian flu vaccine is ridiculous. And increasingly, I don't believe we're about to run out of oil. I hang my hat on the views of Dr.Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics) as outlined in his 1999 book, The Deep Hot Biosphere.

Gold's view, supported by many well qualified people, is that oil doesn't come from dead dinosaurs and kindred organic matter. Gold argues strongly that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs." Oil, Earth's renewable resource! Ethanol is an attractive alternative, as Brazil is proving. But ethanl will be a tough sell here, so for the time being I'll stay with the winning side.

this is most unfortunate.
looks like i won't be renewing my counterpunch subscription next year. :(
at least last year he ran the excellent article by Stan Goff which really reignited my interest in PO.

i really respect Cockburn on a lot of things, but this is just foolish.
next he'll be subscribing to "intelligent design"!!! :razz:
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 08:19:23

Cut him some slack. Just because he may be wrong on one topic, doesn't make him an imbecile.

Instead, perhaps write to him and try to give him some evidence of another viewpoint.
Now why didn't I take the blue pill.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby retiredguy » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 08:31:45

Ask him for the peer-reviewed paper that supports this majical abiotic process. What's this "belief" stuff regarding Peak Oil? It ain't a religion. Doesn't anyone understand the scientific method anymore?

I believe the earth's core is composed of chewy caramel nuggat. So proof me wrong.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 08:38:21

Wow, haven't heard that one before.

A belief in abiotic oil is no different to a belief that planting bank notes in the ground will grow you money trees.

After joining PO.com, nothing now suprises me about how deep into denial people will go.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 08:39:15

So Cockburn is a creationist, too.

Fuck him.
Peak oil = comet Kohoutek.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby JohnLudi » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 08:48:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I don't believe in any effective role of man-made CO2 in global warming, a natural cyclical trend. I think the mad rush to throw money at the pharmaceutical companies for an avian flu vaccine is ridiculous. And increasingly, I don't believe we're about to run out of oil.


Yes Alex, let's just ignore those crazy "scientists" with all their silly "facts"!

Everything is beautiful...think I'll buy a Hummer and buy some property on the Gulf Coast!
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby Doly » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 08:57:19

That article deserves to be added to the list of "Famous last words".
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 10:39:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'C')ut him some slack. Just because he may be wrong on one topic, doesn't make him an imbecile.

Instead, perhaps write to him and try to give him some evidence of another viewpoint.


EC,

no, i don't think he is an imbecile at all.
on the contrary, i think he is very smart and is usually very good at cutting through the crap spewed by both "left" and "right" ax-grinders.

i just think it is most unfortunate that he is in denial about this issue.
of course i'll keep reading his site because there are so many interesting contributors, many of whom have a robust grasp of the PO issue and its implications.

and if he or co-editor St. Clair come round on PO, i'll sign up for the newsletter again.

and as far as writing to him regarding PO, i've tried that with no success. and he has access to very strong arguments from people like Stan Goff regarding PO. if these haven't begun to wake him up on this, i certainly can't. maybe more time will see a change of view... :x
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby aahala » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 11:11:17

Obviously Alex is a confused thinker.

A belief in PO does not require the belief the peak is imminent or that the
consequences will necessarily result in a complete collapse. It is only
indirectly connected to a belief in global warning, and no connection I can
see in avian flu or the Easter bunny.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 11:20:55

for some inexplicable reason, he's bought into this "abiotic" fantasy.

gee, maybe he's just pulling our leg. i hope. :?
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby MicroHydro » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 11:59:10

Political types have a fundamental flaw. They fail to understand that an objective physical reality exists outside their BS. Even those who are well read have no understanding of the scientific method and no ability to think critically about scientific issues. When the autopsy of the anglo-american empire is written, the dominance of public discourse by persons with no scientific training will be noted as one of the causes of death.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&

Unread postby fossilnut2 » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 12:13:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'P')olitical types have a fundamental flaw. They fail to understand that an objective physical reality exists outside their BS. Even those who are well read have no understanding of the scientific method and no ability to think critically about scientific issues....


Very well said! A reminder to ALL. Beware of any statements 'of fact' that include the phrases 'I believe' or 'I don't believe' and then gives no supporting evidence.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 12:28:03

We can't all be experts in everything and just like compassion fatigue I think you can get conspiracy fatigue!

Even though I don't believe in God doesn't mean I don't think Mother Terresa did wonderful work for the poor.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby JB2 » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 12:35:27

Pretty disappointing comment from Mr. C, but I question how serious that comment is: Might as well just "choose" to believe in abiotic oil because it's more "optimistic"? Whatever you say Alex.

On the other hand, Counterpunch posted an article by Matthew Simmons's last spring.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby Free » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 13:43:33

I am really disappointed as well, I held counterpunch in high regard, Alexander Burncock lost pretty much all respect for me now...

Why is it that alledgedly smart people can be so wrong? Just shows you how much ideology can make you blind, if you see everywhere the big black boogey man... Let this be a lesson for us to stay sceptics and use Ockhams razor excessively....
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby fossil_fuel » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 16:10:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I hang my hat on the views of Dr.Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics) as outlined in his 1999 book, The Deep Hot Biosphere.


Gold's Obituary

the guy was kind of a goofball with many wacky theories, some of which turned out to be right, others which didn't. read the obituary and decide for yourself whether or not you would put much faith in his opinion.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 16:33:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fossil_fuel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I hang my hat on the views of Dr.Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics) as outlined in his 1999 book, The Deep Hot Biosphere.


Gold's Obituary

the guy was kind of a goofball with many wacky theories, some of which turned out to be right, others which didn't. read the obituary and decide for yourself whether or not you would put much faith in his opinion.


...and look how Dr Gold ended up. 8O
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 16:44:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnLudi', '
')Everything is beautiful...think I'll buy a Hummer and buy some property on the Gulf Coast!


It's all Savinar's fault.
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&quo

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 16:46:43

now when I hear hummer on an oil forum, i don't think of
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Re: Alex Cockburn: "Why I Don't Believe in Peak Oil&

Unread postby fossil_fuel » Tue 18 Oct 2005, 17:13:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '.')..and look how Dr Gold ended up. 8O


dead at age 84? i'll be happy if i live that long :lol:
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