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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 13 Oct 2005, 13:08:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'i') like jones, but hes missing the boat about po. hes way off base.
I agree. All he's basically saying is that reservers are increasing, so everything is ok. He doesn't take into account the fact that the Saudi's (and all the oil companies for that matter) have huge incentives to lie about their reserves. --snip--
Jones seems to fall into the same category as the rest of the mindless suburban hordes who think our way of life will never end on this one.

The only people who are "in on it" would be the few Saudis who have an inkling as to what the true reserves are, and the major refiners. Of the major refiners, the CEO's would be the only ones who would need to know. Everyone else would just conform to the dominant belief and go along to get along.

Where do people get the idea that conspiracies need hundred or thousands of informed players? For instance, if a journalist writes an investigative piece about a corporation that the publisher happens to own many shares in, do you think the publisher is going to tell him that? No, he's going to say something like, "Oh, I don't think people would be interested in that"

I think Jones is absolutely correct about refiner's complicity in driving prices up. What he is discounting is the liklihood that there is a real geologic problem that is providing synergy to fuel the conspiracy.
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Thu 13 Oct 2005, 13:24:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dbarberic', 'A')J is to narrowly focused on the topics that interest him to see the larger picture. I like the readings of Mike Ruppurt much more than AJ.
While I believe that Mike Ruppurt is overly pessimistic, he does have a way of bringing together the larger picture in a coherent map that makes much more sense and seems to predict the future much more clearly.

Agreed. Ruppert makes his case a lot better than Jones. AJ is more likely to go out on a limb with his conspiracy theories and Ruppert sticks more to facts. You have to take AJ with a pinch of salt. Especially when he goes on his Christian rants.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think Jones is absolutely correct about refiner's complicity in driving prices up. What he is discounting is the liklihood that there is a real geologic problem that is providing synergy to fuel the conspiracy.

What she said.
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby ubercynicmeister » Thu 13 Oct 2005, 22:17:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MagnoliaFan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'T')he implications of peak oil are contrary to Jone's view of a police state and global control via New World Order. Ruppert doesn't believe there will be any significant police state, because everything will be local. There wont be enough energy for centralized power to organize a police state.
Bingo. Peak oil is the monkey wrench that will fly right in the face of the NWO agenda. What is the NWO agenda? Basically it is globalization--a scam to separate the middle class from its purchasing power.

RUBBISH: "globalization" is a scam to remove from EVERYONE their purchasing power, and possibly their lives. Geeze, can't ya get it right?
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Re: Alex Jones's online Peak Oil Myth Archive of proof..

Unread postby ubercynicmeister » Thu 13 Oct 2005, 23:34:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('altenergygirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sventvkg', 'B')y the way, I'm a Peak Oil Believer..
I think that peak Oil has nothing to do with belief!

LOL, unfortunately, it has everything to do with it. Y'see most people here are not JH Kunstler, Matt Savinar or Colin Cambell. We don't have the necessary expertise to "do the digging" for the raw facts and then figure out what it all means.

Thus - and this is the same for anyone that is trying to figure out something beyond their area of expertise - the rest of us Mere Mortals just have to "believe" what those people mentioned above are talking about.

Why do we "beleive" in them? Because what they are saying makes a damn sight more sense than the Economic Rationalists and Freemarket Fundamentalists who're sending us broke all the while making such howlers as this one from Good Ole Rupert Murdoch: "The Price Of Oil will drop below US$20 per barrel if we invade Iraq."

Instead, Matt Savinar (if I may condense what he's said) is saying "Hang on, we don't have to wait until oil runs right out before we see significant economic hardship. This hardship will start once the production of Oil either plateaus or even starts to decline, thanks to the way demand is now rising so fast."

And that statement makes a whole lot more sense than the "Oh-Don't-Worry-Be-Happy" Freemarket Fundamentalists who insist that things like the Dot Con boom "can never end".

Unfortunately, that is based on "belief", in that case, belief in common sense, rather than certainty about when the peak of oil production can occur. Note Well - even the most skeptical of "cornucopians" as they are called , agree that Oil production will eventually start to decline, world-wide. The cornucopians say that this even fortunately won't happen until 2300 or thereabouts. And that, also, is a matter of belief.
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Fri 14 Oct 2005, 00:18:21

Alex Jones tells nothing but the truth, he is a god amoung men :lol:
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby VinceG » Fri 14 Oct 2005, 08:25:37

Both Alex Jones and George Bush use the same method in trying to persuade everybody else that their message is the absolute truth and mustn't be questioned...they use what I'd call 'a method of constant linguistic rhetoric, clichés and emotion to set the agenda in the public discourse'

George Bush regularly speaks about the "attacks of 9/11 and the unspeakable horror it caused, resulting in the the war on terrorism, and the invasion of Iraq because it had weapons of mass-destruction. Saddam was the brutal dictator and evil madman who oppressed his people and used biological weapons. The fear of terror is real, so to protect our homeland and our freedom, we must win the war on terrorism at all costs. "

Everyone knows by now, that George Bush was and still is full of BS

As for Alex Jones's, he just keeps rambling on about "the elite and the globalizing powers that want to impose a police state, where in a New World Order everyo power-addicted right wing administrator will try to imprison you, and the Communists are trying to subvert this country.."

You do the math...
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Fri 14 Oct 2005, 08:41:01

The difference between Jones and Bush is that Jones does use supporting evidence for his theories.

For example, there is a website with all of the evidence documenting his latest documentary 911 Rise of the Police State. I don't Bush has ever done anything like this.

http://www.martiallaw911.info
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby SupplyConcerns » Fri 14 Oct 2005, 13:21:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peepers', 'N')ow I know Peak Oil has become a mainstream issue. It used to be that the Peak Oilers were the conspiracy theorists. Now, the conspiracy theorists are going after Peak Oil....
Thank God. I've always wanted to be able to ride an issue I believed in its "conspiracy theory" days as it became widely accepted. Have people not look at me like I'm crazy, all that stuff.
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 14 Oct 2005, 13:28:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('altenergygirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sventvkg', 'B')y the way, I'm a Peak Oil Believer..
I think that peak Oil has nothing to do with belief!
LOL, unfortunately, it has everything to do with it.

Uber, I see your point, but what I think she means is this: link
Peak oil = comet Kohoutek.
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 16 Oct 2005, 01:25:53

i would like to ask jones, if america has so much oil, why are we importing so much from muslim nations and making them so wealthy. They will use that wealth to destroy america.
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby ubercynicmeister » Sun 16 Oct 2005, 19:33:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'i') would like to ask jones, if america has so much oil, why are we importing so much from muslim nations and making them so wealthy. They will use that wealth to destroy america.


LOL, the MUSLIMS aren't destroying America....that's been done by the Economic Rationalists and the Freemarket Fundamentalists working hand-in-glove with the idiotic Politically Correct.

Think about it - did the Muslims force the United States (persumably at gun-point, or at the point of a bayonet) to:

*Dumb down the schools / colleges / universities?

*Start on, and then perpetuate, a high-energy, high consumption lifestyle?

*Stop all research into non-petroleum energy sources?

*Rip up, close down and generally remove or stop using rail transport as the primary means of land transport?

*Build a massive system of welfare known as the Interstate Highway System?

*Close down and then send overseas an awful lot of industries, especially the higher-tech ones?

*Rack up a massive foreign debt, mostly to Japan and China?

*Trick most of the populace of the United States into living beyond their means, via "deficit spending" on their credit cards?

*Rack up a massive TRADE deficit to China?

The Muslims did all of the above?

HECK, those Muslims must be awfully powerful!
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 16 Oct 2005, 22:07:35

saudis are building 90 % of the mosques in the u.s. , and they arent teaching love in those mosques . dont be naive in believing they are peace loving people, they want nothing else but to destroy america. its only a matter of time before a nuke goes off somewhere
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Re: Alex Jones - Peak Oil is a Corrupt Globalist Scam

Unread postby deconstructionist » Mon 17 Oct 2005, 09:19:55

An entry in my blog that shows how Alex Jones uses faulty information to back up his claims...
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Alex Jones

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 05:16:38

Most of us peakers are aware that Alex Jones and Greg Palast came out against PO.
For quite a while as I was dealing with PO personally I kept away from Alex and the gang and even 9/11 CT's et al. as I did not want anything to interfere with my understanding of Peak Oil and I of course did not want anyone to think I was nuttier then what telling someone about Peak Oil usually makes one seem.

When you go about trying to inform folks about peak oil you usually find a large number of people choosing to believe that its all about money/greed and alot of those people I considered to be smart or "not stupid" prior to my finding and understanding peak oil so how could I think that about them now that they did not "GET" peak oil?
Right - I could not.
So I will give this to Alex and try not allow it to tint the rest of prison planets/info wars offerings.
Greg Palast is another that has done some great work yet he cannot see beyond the oil veil.

As I came to "get" peak oil and turned it into a "got" the next logical step seemed to be to question the rest of the "crap" that it appeared We have and were being fed.
Its not like I never had a thought about WTF is actually going on here yet this time it was different and suddenly I realized that in my hands was the ability to pull upto 600k per second transfer rate 8)

Knowledge IS Power.

Needless to say as I attempted to "look deeper" I found Alex Jones/prison planet/infowars webpage news/videos/audio/youtube et al to be indespensible.

Lately, as I consume more Alex Jones info I am only left wondering WhyTF doesnt Alex get Peak Oil......
Its starting to really bother me to the point where I want to try and do something about it ;-)

So I have a little side project that I need some help with please - the Save Alex Jones Peak Oil Project - will attempt to provoke Alex to reconsider Peak Oil 8)

I have attempted contact with Alex et al.
Alex Jones infowars contact page
That is the contact Alex link and his address is near the bottom of the page as well.
I wonder if I could fed ex him my used copy of Twilight in the desert before xmas?
I know he has issues with Mike Ruppert but maybe not with Matt Simmons ;-)

Please if you do not enjoy Alex and or think he is a nut then simply do not contact him as I am sure he gets plenty of emails like that daily and probably has a real fast delete trigger finger....

That being said and without further ado...

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, the Alex Jones thread!!!
*applause-o-matic*

Let's start it off with a recent video from prisonplanet.com:
NWO From The Mouths of The Elite

Easy enough so lets follow that up with something with alittle more edge:
The Perfect Terrorist Plan To Level The Twin Towers Created In 1976

The Audio interview related to the above article <--audio Link

Hmmmmmm...
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Re: Alex Jones

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 06:01:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'L')adies and Gentlemen, I give you, the Alex Jones thread!!! *applause-o-matic*


Apparently you gave us two.
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Re: Alex Jones

Unread postby AlCzervik » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 11:40:34

Both guys do great work, but it is extremely disappointing to see them deny basic math and science. What is strange about Palast is his self-rebuttal. I got the impression that he realized a huge portion of his fan base was pissed off and it probably embarrassed him that they let him know he knew so little about peak oil.
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2297/Why_Palast_Is_Wrong
Here is the first article.
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2295/No_Peak ... ert_Humbug

As for Alex Jones, I love the guy. Terrorstorm is a great introduction to government sponsored terror for those not aware of the concept. His criticism of both major political parties is really in line with a lot of the people that libertarian types love, like Ron Paul and Aaron Russo. The problem is that Alex's entire schtick is so anti-NWO that he can't accept something like peak oil. In his mind, it has to be a construct cooked up by the oil companies to jack up prices and for governments to consolidate power. I don't want to turn this into a Ruppert v. Jones debate, but Mike has it right to ask why would governments be going so crazy over the middle east right now, possibly staging terror attacks, and cooking up fake wars that could get them thrown in jail? The answer, of course, is something as civilization changing as declining energy supply. And that's why Mike is right on this one. Alex thinks the war on terror is just a cover to turn us all into serfs. He isn't completely wrong. A lot of the domestic moves by the elites such as the Patriot Act will certainly be used against us. But, that's because suburbia isn't going to be functioning the way it is now and the middle class will be pissed off, not because elites get off controlling the masses or anything like that. Here is the video Terrorstorm, in case anyone is interested.
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Re: Alex Jones

Unread postby coyote » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 13:33:55

I love it when Szymanski calls Timothy McNiven "McVeigh" (4:50).

I didn't listen to the whole thing. Is there a shred of evidence, other than this guy's testimony?

I thought the NWO vid was much more meaningful.
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Re: Alex Jones

Unread postby greenworm » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 16:52:58

The Alex Jones thread, been waiting for this one.

There seems to be two premises that we are reviewing as put forth by Alex Jones:

a)International bankers control, consolidate, the wealth of other nations for the few (them).

b)Peak oil is a scam developed by zionist.

I am going to hold off on premise a) simply because the evidence I have obtained overwhelmingly proves this premise. I motion to reconsider this topic, if only dissenting views appear.

Before we start with premise b), I would like to provide a quote for inspirational purposes.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root" Thoreau

OK, let's roll. For premise b) to be true we not only have to prove 'peak oil' is a scam, but that the scam was perpetrated by zionists.

What is a scam?
definition- a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

AlCzervik has presented 'peak oil' as a concept, now, we must ask ourselves is this concept promoted in order to swindle money. Note; peak oil whether true or false is not the issue at hand, the concept itself is sound (once the cup is half emptied, you only have half left). However, nobody can accurately prove when half the glass is empty or full. The evidence for this is quite clear, I've read many accounts of different dates when peak is occurring from 1970 to 2050 and also many accounts of innaccurate reserves. So, I propose that the concept is real, however, the actual time frame for this event to occur is not accurately known. It would have been better to phrase the premise b) as 'the peak oil concept is promoted in order to scam profit'.

Is the peak oil concept being promoted? Well, we are here at peakoil.com aren't we? I have seen the concept on other web pages, I have seen the concept printed in local newspapers. Yes, the concept is being promoted and quite heavily.

Is it being promoted for a profit?
First, we need to understand how a profit can be derived from the peak oil concept. When introduced to this concept that peak oil is at hand one can only conclude that the price of oil will rise based on the supply/demand premise. Supplies are dwindling and demand is rising and hence the commodities traders hedge their bets that the price will go up. Classic 'pump and dump', buy some oil contracts, promote the concept, dump the contracts for profit. Keep in mind, not only is oil susceptible to this concept, other commodities such as uranium, gold, copper will also rise since oil itself is a cost input in extracting these commodities. So, the structure of how to profit off the scam is in place.

Now, we need the who is promoting it and who is profiting from it.
This is gonna be a tough one.

AlCzervik just promoted it and might possibly be profiting from it. He is suspect number one. Just kidding. :wink: I only say this because this is the more difficult to prove. Millions are promoting it and half a million are profiting. :lol: So, let us look at those that have created the most fear of peak oil as a concept and how it is imminent. This is important as those that are promoting it to be well into the future are not profiting off of this fear. Let us take a look at Matthew R. Simmons, the man who literally has no bottom set of teeth at least when you google for his image. Some of his documents are appropriately titled "Energy In The 21st Century: A Rough Ride Ahead", or "Today’s Energy Reality: “We Are In A Deep Hole”", and don't forget this classic, "Saudi Arabia's Oil: A Reality or A Mirage?" The titles in themselves promote fear of an immediate oil crisis.

So, who is this man?

According to wiki,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')atthew R. Simmons, chairman and CEO of Simmons & Company International, is a prominent oil-industry insider and one of the world's leading experts on the topic of Peak Oil. In his previous capacity, he served as energy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush.


So, who is profiting?
profit people

That link shows you the hedge fund that was the leading promoter of the possibility of a oil price spike.

Interesting. What is also interesting is that Simmons actually hangs out with a member of this investment group at a group called none other than "Resources of the future". board of directors If you follow that link you will see somebody by the name of Lawrence H. Linden, who is none other than one time Advisory Director to Goldman Sachs. A quick use of the cia tool called google, shows me this: follow the money That will show you that good ol' Lawrence gave George Bush some campaign money back in 1999. You see, they are all friends. :lol:

Everyone still with me? Now we know who promoted the fear, we now know the group of individuals that profited most and it just so happens that they all hang out with one another.

Unfortunately, we do not have the smoking gun that shows intent to scam, but the power structure is certainly there to pull it off.

Lastly, is this perpetrated by zionism?
To understand the basic tenets of the zionism debate, go here: zion Please scroll down to my attempt to formulate the argument of the origins of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Keep in mind, we are waiting for a counterargument on the matter, so the debate is not settled until we receive a plausible counterargument. Neopo, I actually want to hear Zardoz before I edit the summation as his britches get all twisted and I get a certain pleasure from it. :lol:

Are zionist connected? Yes, there are numerous people within the current Bush administration that fit this description. I'll give you one, World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz who was also Defense Secretary under GW. What does the world bank deal with: loaning money quite notably to mining projects for gold. They also contain alot of the useless shiny stuff, you find near mountain bases called gold. What did mister Wolfowitz advocate when he was defense secretary. "TOTAL WAR". I'll explain why. Money is created through debt. What is the best way to get into debt? Borrow money for war, this has been proven throughout history. They create a war (threat), so they can now borrow money so that the money can then flow to the commodities market where they are waiting with open arms. The scam is clearly revealed, however, a smoking gun is required to show intent. That is as far as the rabbit hole goes.

Knowledge is truly power, however, it is trumped by oil and gold.
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Re: Alex Jones

Unread postby greenworm » Mon 25 Dec 2006, 01:08:41

I just wanted to add one more little tidbit concerning the supply/demand concept.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o, what's my point?

The run-up in Crude Oil quotes is by no means function of a lack of supply. It's about 2 other things...the FEAR of the lack of supply and a surfeit of capital looking to profit from that fear.



Notice the word fear?
Also, notice the graphs from which this quote was taken.

http://www.safehaven.com/article-3956.htm

Any counterargument that attempts to correlate the recent spike of oil price to supply/demand fundamentals will have difficulty getting past this graph.

You have an economy based on fear, are you sure you want to be heavily invested in it? :lol: :twisted: 8O
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