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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 12:29:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stupid_monkeys', 'I') watch that fucking DICKHEAD purely for entertainment. His "solution" is simple: a boycott, which (I guess) in the mind of the avg american rings powerfully true. Ironically, Fox is probably going to be a new pulpit for conservation.

I can see it now: The New American Conservative Conservationist. :roll:

FOX starts pounding away at "use less oil, sheeple" and we are supposed to believe that O'Reilly really believes it's all about gouging?

How do you get on the sheeples side without going off about gouging?

How do you manipulate them into conservation without appearing you are on their side?
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby Trindelm » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 12:48:07

Good to see you back Toe Cutter
Your harsh wisdom is more than welcome here and I think I speak for everyone.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby aahala » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 13:47:25

I see a certain irony here. What we label as mostly a rightwing network
and a rightwing person bashing the rightwing concept of letting companies
charge whatever they want, no matter what.

Do we have political realignment on a particular issue? Strange bedfellows
indeed if Ted Kennedy and Mr. Bill join forces against corporate oil prices.

We might call it "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure."
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 13:51:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala', 'I') see a certain irony here. What we label as mostly a rightwing network
and a rightwing person bashing the rightwing concept of letting companies
charge whatever they want, no matter what.

Do we have political realignment on a particular issue? Strange bedfellows
indeed if Ted Kennedy and Mr. Bill join forces against corporate oil prices.

We might call it "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure."

Television is not authentic, it's entirely edited and produced and all to manipulate people.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 13:54:09

I disagree that letting oil companies charge what they want is a right wing concept.

It's a greedy capitalist concept.

Conservatives and Liberals have a whole lot more in common than they think. I don't think OReilley should be criticized for his boycott gesture, but embraced by liberals and conservatives.

I expect OReilley will change his stance once he is tapped on the shoulder. Let's wait and see.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby Typhoon » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 14:19:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I') disagree that letting oil companies charge what they want is a right wing concept.

It's a greedy capitalist concept.

Conservatives and Liberals have a whole lot more in common than they think. I don't think OReilley should be criticized for his boycott gesture, but embraced by liberals and conservatives.

I expect OReilley will change his stance once he is tapped on the shoulder. Let's wait and see.


You sound like a communist. I love our capitalist system!

I think Peak Oil will happen soon, and although I have some optimism for the long term, I believe that we are facing hard times. I guess I am a "semi-doomer". Despite this, I am amazed at the liberal and anti-Bush attitude of most people who post on this site. Since "Current Events" is supposed to be energy-related, political discussion really belongs in the "Open Discussion" forum. Therefore, I won't continue with my rant.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 14:24:12

I'm not a communist. I have my own business and love capitalism.

I used the term greedy capitalists. I believe in benevolent capitalism. I don't think you have to earn a profit at the suffering of others.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby falser » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 15:06:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I') disagree that letting oil companies charge what they want is a right wing concept.


But isn't de-regulation what conservatives are all about? I don't watch O'Reilly, I can't stand how he rudely cuts off his guests to make himself look like the only one with the correct opinion. Is he essentially calling for regulation of oil companies? Medicare, prescription drugs, voip telephones - right wingers don't want that stuff regulated, and they all cost more than they should. So why should oil be any different ?

In a deregulated, capital market there really is no such thing as price gouging. The rise of gasoline prices is a perfect example of how ruthlessly efficient capitalism is at determining the right price for everything.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby jdmartin » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 15:13:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('falser', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I') disagree that letting oil companies charge what they want is a right wing concept.


But isn't de-regulation what conservatives are all about? I don't watch O'Reilly, I can't stand how he rudely cuts off his guests to make himself look like the only one with the correct opinion. Is he essentially calling for regulation of oil companies? Medicare, prescription drugs, voip telephones - right wingers don't want that stuff regulated, and they all cost more than they should. So why should oil be any different ?

In a deregulated, capital market there really is no such thing as price gouging. The rise of gasoline prices is a perfect example of how ruthlessly efficient capitalism is at determining the right price for everything.


Well this is what I've been saying for a while. How come "free market" people love Walmart but hate big oil? If it's free market, then the oil companies should be free to charge whatever they can get. After all, if you don't like it, you could:

1. Ride a bike
2. Walk
3. Take public transportation
4. Purchase a non-fossil fuel motor vehicle (a golf cart, perhaps?)
5. Invent your own fuel

I'm sure the list could go on and on. Why shouldn't they be able to charge whatever they can get? After all, we're the junkies that are hooked on their product. If enough of us have a better idea, the price will go down as less people use their product. Ah, the invisible hand at work...

The problem is people are greedy, disgusting pigs that are only worried about their own ass and wallet. This is why they want free-market Wallyworld at the expense of their neighbor's hardware store (save a dime on light bulbs), yet want heavy, price-regulated controls on gasoline, etc.
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby ubercrap » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 17:18:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Typhoon', ' ')I am amazed at the liberal and anti-Bush attitude of most people who post on this site.


Be amazed, Poindexter. What, do you run the neocon/Bush fanclub or something? There are a lot of liberals (whatever the hell that means anymore) out there, and many regular folks who hate Bush with a passion. Have you been living under a rock? :lol:
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby Typhoon » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 17:42:44

Of course I know that a lot of people hate Bush with a passion. I'm just saying that I'm amazed at their opinion. Yes, Iraq is a big mess, but I'd rather have Bush in charge than a big-government socialist Democrat.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby turmoil » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 18:11:33

people never cease to amaze me either typhoon, but not because of their political views, which are to a great extent based on deep-seated emotional baggage passed from generation to generation. :roll:

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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby ubercrap » Fri 07 Oct 2005, 18:48:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Typhoon', 'O')f course I know that a lot of people hate Bush with a passion. I'm just saying that I'm amazed at their opinion. Yes, Iraq is a big mess, but I'd rather have Bush in charge than a big-government socialist Democrat.


You have no clue what you are talking about, sorry. The Bush administration's government spending policies in no way resemble traditional conservative fiscal policies. Do your homework. Until then, you get a big fat "F". :roll:
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby joewp » Sat 08 Oct 2005, 00:02:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ardalla', 'O')'Reilly, Bush, Hannity, and that blonde "How to talk to a Liberal" tart -- what's her name? -- don't bother me. Whenever I see their face, I click them into oblivion.

Well, I wish it was that easy.


When what's her name's (Ann Coulter) book is displayed prominently in the local B&N, I promptly turn it over. Sometimes it stays that way for a week or more. :)

I do that for Hannity and the rest too. I called Hannity a chicken hawk on the air about a month before the Iraq invasion, he has banned me for life. These people aren't employed to tell the truth, they're employed to lie. Facts are just things to twist to their purposes. Remember "Al Gore invented the Internet"?

That's why I'm sick of national politics and am concentrating on local politics to stop development in my (decreasingly) rural town. No growth is the only sustainable growth.
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby jdmartin » Sat 08 Oct 2005, 01:33:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Typhoon', 'O')f course I know that a lot of people hate Bush with a passion. I'm just saying that I'm amazed at their opinion. Yes, Iraq is a big mess, but I'd rather have Bush in charge than a big-government socialist Democrat.


What's the difference? Bush is a big-government fascist Republican, so I'd say it all works out in the end anyway. Or is it that it's only big government when the government is doing something you don't want it to do? I can buy reasonable arguments in both directions on issues, but I can never buy stupid, canned, regurgitated bullshit initiated by talking heads that make millions and proliferated for the undying pleasure of their audiences...
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Re: O'Reilly's Crusade

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sat 08 Oct 2005, 01:37:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his statement demonstrates core misunderstandings of markets. People pay what they are willing to pay. When something is plentiful, some other producer can and will undercut you thus forcing prices to stay relatively low. When there is more demand than supply though, a seller can simply sit on his higher price while the lower price guy gets bought out and he knows that the higher price will still be bought simply because there is not enough supply to go around. Basic economics. Cost of production has zip to do with retail price of anything. It didn't in the past and doesn't now. This is why prices have gone up.

You can call this "gouging" but it's just the market at work. The market is telling all of us that this stuff is scarcer than it was, and thus more valuable than it was. As supplies improve, refineries come back online, and demand drops due to higher prices, we'll start to see prices drift downward some. When that starts to occur on a widespread basis then we'll know there is some surplus back in the system.

Your comment seemed to indicate a basic misunderstanding of how markets work (and have worked for centuries). I certainly do not mean to sound harsh, and if I do, I apologize for that in advance. However, I did feel compelled to address what seemed a basic misunderstanding.


Did I not mention in that post that the market is willing to pay it?

What many don't get is that the market is rigged. There isn't a choice, either pay or do without. competition has been very lacking in the industry and the big oil companies have kept prices carteled upward not because people want to pay those prices, but because they can raise them and people will pay them anyway because they have no other means of getting that oil.

Price gouging? You bet. That's how the 'market' for this particular industry is working at the moment and has been for some time! A real free market would offer choices.

In an ideal situation, there would be competition and many providers, not the few we have today. With competition, the price would be no where near as high as there would be plenty of undercutting going on, brining the price more closer to production and shipping price. Further, in this same ideal situation, alternatives to oil use for things like autos and plastics would not have been surpressed with either lobbying and smear campaigns and a refusal by the producers to offer the technology to the market(electric vehicles), or even government regulation(ie. industrial hemp). Many alternatives exist that ARE cheaper than oil, but they aren't offered by the entrenched industries because they are less profitable, and they aren't cost effective when offered by small businesses because those small businesses don't have the needed economies of scale.

There is far more to the situation than simple Economics 101. The situation is dynamic with thousands of variables at work, whether it is something as simple as industrial hemp growing not being permitted in America, monopolies in the oil industry, or supression of the electric car. The fact that America also has no viable mass transit(thanks to the auto and oil industry that bought it outy and tore it down in the 40s) also plays a big role in this. Car use is the largest area where demand destruction can occur, but alternatives to oil-dependent car use need to be given to consumers.

Without demand destruction, the prices stay high, and with the oil industry keeping control of the market and not the market keeping control of the oil industry, the market is rigged and therefore it is very logical to argue things from a price gouging standpoint. Prices are INTENTIONALLY inflated by the industry through a variety of means including eliminating the competition from the market.

As peak continues onward, this problem will only worsen, but the oil industry will continue making out like bandits, even after the REAL crisis has begun and after it really starts hurting people. Katrina isn't shit...
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Why is Bill O'Reilly so often right??

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 21:16:36

Its amazing, but the guy is right on 99% of everything he talks about.
Very impressive! We should be thankful to have such a knowledgable person on TV.
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Re: Why is Bill O'Reilly so often right??

Unread postby fossil_fuel » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 21:17:08

i hope to god you're joking/trolling
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Re: Why is Bill O'Reilly so often right??

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 21:24:15

Dude, Are you freaking nuts 8O :shock: :?
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Re: Why is Bill O'Reilly so often right??

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 21:37:18

Depends on which meaning of 'right' you're using. Politically 'right', then this topic's title would be fairly accurate.

Either this was said tongue in chek with an intentional double meaning to bait people who don't see it, or I'm reading too much into it.

Personally, I think O'Reilly is a bloated windbag and nothing more.
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