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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Pops » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 19:25:47

Man, you guys (I suppose you are guys) before going off about shooting people – against the rules around here you know, let’s step back a minute.

Exactly which city (or compound as it may be) do you suppose this pandemic will be isolated?

The answer is it won’t be A city – it is a PANdemic. There will be no reason - at least after it gets going, to quarantine anything except hospitals – and they will be hell-holes in a week.

I’ll ask again, would you rather the hospital ships stand off like they did in NOLA? The field hospitals stay under wraps? Would you rather they have a rent-a-cop outside wal-mart when the vaccines become available?

Oh yea I remember how that smallpox vaccine sterilized all those Africans – bad deal! I sure wouldn't want to get a vaccine for something that would probably kill me - heck they could be putting one of those radio chips in there.

Come on!

It’s really neither here nor there to me – I have enough beef to keep me in jerky while I wave at the neighbors from a distance.

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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Riddick » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 19:42:02

I'm not condoning shooting people - and certainly not anyone particular on this site, or anywhere else for that matter.

I think what happened in New Orleans opened a lot of eyes - especially with regards to the Blackwater "security force". No corporate-owned rent-a-cop goon squad is going to be telling me where I can or cannot go.

What's the saying, "it's better to die on your feet, rather than to live on your knees".
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Chocky » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 20:31:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uarantine is fine. Using marshal law to do so is absolutely draconian and unnecessary.


How the hell else are they supposed maintain quarantine? As soon as there are major outbreaks in certain areas, a lot of people are going to want to leave. Some of them will be infected, and will spread the infection around the country. If and when bird flu mutates into a pandemic strain, it will be impossible to control. A strong quarantine enforced by the military is the only way to minimise the damage.

If you don't want to be affected, make sure you're already in the place where you most want to be when a quarantine period is declared.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 20:45:09

More smoke and scare from the liberals I see.
Too bad your only, at a minimum, 3 years late on the government using troops in a epidemic outbreak. :roll:

Welcome to last decade folks.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Renfield » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 20:49:17

He's too stupid to deal with anything.

1. To compare the hygene conditions in south Asia with North America is absurd. Just because a disease spreads quickly in poor areas with poor water conditions, poor hygene conditions and poor medical care does not mean that if someone there were to board a plane to North America that it would spread that way here.

2. I wonder if they would be quicker to react to this than to Katrina. Remember, as Brownie said, the Fed's place is to react after the fact and only at the behest of local authorities.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 21:05:43

I imagine his handlers waking him in the morning, instead of saying "Good morning, it's Tuesday and you are in LA (or wherever)", they say "Good morning, your name is George W Bush and you are President of the USA". I can see him replying "Really?" everyday.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Renfield » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 21:12:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'I') imagine his handlers waking him in the morning, instead of saying "Good morning, it's Tuesday and you are in LA (or wherever)", they say "Good morning, your name is George W Bush and you are President of the USA". I can see him replying "Really?" everyday.


To which he replies:
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WHO LET THE DOGS OUT!

OOF
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WHO LET THE DOGS OUT!
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Pops » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 21:15:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Riddick', 'W')hat's the saying, "it's better to die on your feet, rather than to live on your knees".


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'I') have not heard of a war yet that did not have the population behind it, and won the war. Without a base of support, any attempted armed rebellion would be doomed to fail.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chocky', 'I')f you don't want to be affected, make sure you're already in the place where you most want to be when a quarantine period is declared.


Yes.
Yes.
And YES!

I guess my point is using the resources we paid for to contain and aid in the event of a disaster – natural or otherwise, seems only rational. In my post regarding PC and NOLA I was surprised to find PC only governs local control of federal forces but gives explicit power of the POTUS to use it in emergencies. Look it up.

The military are the ones most reluctant to enforce civilian law – a good thing.

Expanding the guard’s ranks in such an event could save millions of lives – so the risk of a coup from the top seems an acceptable risk.

Semler’s comments are quite to the point; unless you find yourself without a base of support then perhaps you should revisit your premise. However, overt action beyond the period of immediate need – in my mind at least, would swell the – shall we say; unhappy ranks, considerably beyond the 5% he mentions.

This isn’t lost on the powers TB.

Finally, if one were truly concerned beyond merely spouting and posing for pictures with their new toy, while still milling around the feed trough in the holding pen with the rest of the woolies, Chocky has the solution…

Get out of Dodge.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 21:18:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Riddick', 'W')hat's the saying, "it's better to die on your feet, rather than to live on your knees".


Has obviously never heard of fire-and-manouver or pepper-potting.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 23:34:04

Is anyone else suddenly reminded of how the government reacted to the superflu in The Stand?
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Pops » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 23:45:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeasonOfPain', 'I')s anyone else suddenly reminded of how the government reacted to the superflu in The Stand?


Cripes, I’m trying to corral the wethers here!



Of course the government was responsible for that particular outbreak as I remember…

Hmmmmm…..
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Eli » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 23:50:48

Ok fill me in I never read the book.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Chocky » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 01:37:19

The basic idea is that an accident at a government biological warfare research center resulted in the release of a 'superflu' strain that kills 99.8% of the world's population. The first half of the book details the spread of the superflu and the resulting breakdown of law and order. The government uses the military and various emergency powers to try and stop the disease from spreading and to stop people from finding out where the disease really came from. They also spread it in other parts of the world, deliberately, in order to make it look more like a natural event.

The second half of the book focuses on the American survivors, who had natural immunity to the flu, and their attempts to rebuild communities. They're divided into two groups, the 'good' and 'bad'. There's a supernatural element as they are drawn together around two opposing good and evil leaders who they see in dreams.

It's a pretty decent book if you don't mind Stephen King's writing style. I read the director's cut version recently, which I found tended to drag on after the climax. Too much of it was taken up with descriptions of meetings of their new local government and boring crap like that.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Macsporan » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 06:03:22

What we need is a squadron of flying pigs to napalm the areas where the flu is rampant.

That'll stop it.:-D
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Daculling » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 09:17:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'O')k fill me in I never read the book.


If your reading these boards and have not read The Stand you need to read it. The first part is very pertinent.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Eli » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 09:47:41

From what I read about it on Amazon it sounds pretty darn good.

Just to raise the paranoia level it would be pretty easy to purposely spread the Bird Flu in areas where you had unwanted Population growth.

You know through up a road block and say the area is quarantined and then spread the bug and let it do the work for you.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Eli » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 09:48:39

From what I read about it on Amazon it sounds pretty darn good.

Just to raise the paranoia level it would be pretty easy to purposely spread the Bird Flu in areas where you had unwanted Population growth.

You know through up a road block and say the area is quarantined and then spread the bug and let it do the work for you.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 10:53:02

The Stand?
Science fiction. Perhaps somewhat plausible, but nonetheless standard King science fiction.

You guys want a real make you shit your pants read?

The Hot Zone.

It happened. It was real. We came this close >< to having a real OMG we're screwed n doomed end of the world scenario.

I've talked to some of the mil guys who responded to the event. From what they told me, I wouldnt trust the CDC to find thier ass with both hands. They literally made a guess as to whether or not the virus was dangerous.
And they assumed it wasnt. If it had been.......
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby Renfield » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 10:56:45

YES! Great book and very scary. I used The Hot Zone as source material for a report on epidemics in college.
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Re: To all those who voted for and support this nut

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 11:58:53

I smell red herring
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