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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby FairMaiden » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 18:06:05

Oh great! This is what will be left of society after PO?

We really are doomed...

Who gave you the right to judge who should live and should die? You don't even know what these men did!

I personally have been raped - and I don't want the bastard to be killed. That would do nothing to erase what happened to me. Jail protects us from these men - maybe we could find another way like keeping them housed together even after they've served there time.

But if you kill someone, that makes you a killer. Then you are the sicko...
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 18:09:11

If you believe in the Christian Ethic, why do you care if they sex offender gets killed?

If he is innocent in the eyes of God, he is in Heaven right now, no?

If he is guilty in the eyes of God, he is in Hell right now, no?

Either way we are saving God a little time.

If only God can decide punishment, shouldn't we kill all people on trial for serious (Hell-worthy) crimes in order to allow God to judge them sooner?

And if the person was innocent, couldn't God just bring that person back to life? Or maybe God would intervene with the results of the jury in order to make sure justice got served.

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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 03:47:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '2') less scumbags in the world.

Right on!

While we're at it let's declare open season on drug pushers, burglers, porn distributors, abortionists, gays, gasoline price gougers, prostitutes, poachers, telemarketers and spammers.

The world will be a better place, and we will not be wasting all that money on police and courts and legislators.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! (people with guns).
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 03:51:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'I') personally have been raped - .....Jail protects us from these men


Irony........
But, whether Spec feels your convictions are flawed or not, he does admire your "no compromise" belief in them.
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 03:52:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '2') less scumbags in the world.

Right on!

While we're at it let's declare open season on drug pushers, burglers, porn distributors, abortionists, gays, gasoline price gougers, prostitutes, poachers, telemarketers and spammers.

The world will be a better place, and we will not be wasting all that money on police and courts and legislators.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! (people with guns).


You forgot politicians. :P
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 04:42:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')You forgot politicians. :P
That would be the "legislators".
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 14:17:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') personally have been raped - and I don't want the bastard to be killed. That would do nothing to erase what happened to me. Jail protects us from these men - maybe we could find another way like keeping them housed together even after they've served there time.

But if you kill someone, that makes you a killer. Then you are the sicko...


Jail does not protect you. All it does is keeps these guys locked up and away from you for a while. It does nothing to fix or correct the situationa nd most of these guys have time to think about where they went wrong and how not to get caught the next time.

Sorry but you are either extremely naive or living in a fantasy world, or both. WHile I disapprove of anyone who would kill another person I can without a doubt tell you that if given a gun I would have killed Clifford Olsen while he was in my jail without a hesitation.

But I am biased I got sick and tired of guys who molested 38 kids only to have the judge say the guy didn't have a "history" and since he went to church was unlikely to reoffend. Which of course he did and was back in my unit. How many other people have to suffer before we stop these people? jails aren't the answer, they don't work, there is no justice and there is no restitution.

The problem with God is that people don't take responsibility for their own actions. as long as there is some guy out there fostering the belief that he makes things happen in your life and not you, we will never be able to face up to the consequences of our own actions.

either you are a good person who tries to be good or you are not. most of us succeed most of the time but for those who do wrong and know it is wrong but don't care; there has to be a reckoning. not in some mythical heaven but right here on earth in front of the people and lives they hurt and damage.

sorry for the rant but if someone has been raped (I mean really raped) you are either a walking target or need to work out your stockholm syndrome with a real therapist.
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 14:36:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you honestly think that a sick old man showing his weiner to a 14 year old is a more serious crime than armed robbery? murder? drug trafficing? honestly, think about it.


So you would catagorize raping a child as just some old sicko exposing himself to a kid? What about forced entry? what about repeated raping?

WHat about the little girl who has to live with the feeling that there is something wrong with her, that she is dirty or asked for it?

What about the little boy whose father or uncle was supposed to teach him how to play baseball? but instead forced him into anal sex? sorry but someone holding a couple joints hardly seems to be as bad in my eyes.

I know two guys who walked into a corner store and killed one clerk and amputated the others left arm at the elbow for $43.00. I know the Abotsford Killer who stalked and terrorized the cops and the whole city with repeated phone calls that he was going to kill again and that they couldn't and would never find him.

Its the people. they are broken. you can not fix them. they chose wrongly, now when do the rest of us have to stop paying for their actions and when will they be forced to pay for them?
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby insurgent » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 17:08:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cool Hand Linc', 'I') don't think he lynched anybody.

Not much chance of a mistake here.

We should take up a collection to buy the medal.


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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby LeonDion » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 10:44:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Christianity tells you that the human race is not smart or capable enough to judge on the life of a fellow human, only God can.


And this is why we have such a weak, infantilized culture. One that is disintagrating.


Or maybe people come up with such simplistic answers to problems (like sex criminals) such as the one suggested, BECAUSE we have such a weak, infantilized culture; the only solution such infantilized 'grown monsters' can find, is to 'blow 'em away - ask questions later.'

Perhaps the culture is infantilized because we've had it inhumanly /easy/ here, with the amount of work done by machines. We're so weak and infantile because we're so 'civilized'.

We the 'masses' - catered to by 'mass media', and 'mass culture', need to make few fundamental choices about life. Well, we need to choose our role, but our society has been going on fundamentally unchanged for at least a few generations now. We're not called upon to 'recreate' our world, until a crisis comes in and wipes out the old order. So most learn to accept 'the rules' and do whatever their parents did to become a 'success in life'. When the scenery outside your window remains essentially unchanged from the time of your birth, decades into life, the absolutely most likely reaction is to conform.

Then the evolution of effective media occurs, pushing the debate to the level of the lowest common denominator. Memetics demands this result, and evidence of its proof is pretty clear. Keep It Simple Stupid. K.I.S.S.

And especially if you're over-brainy, you feel like you're talked down to, your fears are discounted. Look, the media are not going to frame the debate at your level of understanding and comprehension because it would not be profitable for them to do so. They only need eyes to stick to the screen, just a few moments while channel surfing, not minds. And it's who gets the MOST eyes to stick who wins.

We live in a hyper-competitive culture to start off with. All the 'leadership' has to do to get their way, is to whip people up with fear, then offer simplistic solutions which have a more complex agenda behind them, complex because we're not MEANT to understand. We would have a means to defend ourselves from the 'solution' if we could. (Like tricking your enemy into giving you the means of acquiring total ownership of their whole nation, by burying a demand FOR a central bank in the Communist Manifesto [demand number 5], or something equally outlandish like that. Ha ha ha.)

Take the fear of 'terrists'. I have no doubt that there are sincere 'terrists', or would-be 'terrists', who would be willing to harm innocent people. However, I think that as a relative threat to any one individual, the possibility of getting killed by a terrorist is so remote, as to make it the last thing in my life I need to worry about right now. There are greater threats to me, my life, and my freedom, than people aligned with foreign terrorists [conspiratorially or ideologically], right here at home!

Devoid of intelligent and responsible discussion in the media, a cardboard cowboy is put on the box promising to 'strike out' at the 'terrists'. The target is vague and shifting. A foreign war is started, and then even the justifcation for the war shifts. Again. And again. Is fear the whole point? Or is the name of the game simply 'misdirection'?

In such an atmosphere, do you think it would be 'profitable' for those in power to speak to the people at a mature level? A shaky population is a compliant one.

What's even more interesting, is What happens when the 'invaders' simply become counter- competitors? What happens when the dollar falls and goods from China start costing a whole lot more? At whom do you strike out then, with your dumbed-down culture? That's why I think the "leadership" in the US is making some major. fucking. mistakes.

And that's fine. Stuff like this happens all the time. Frogs fall from the sky as well.

This happens.
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Re: Give this man a medal

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 16:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')r maybe people come up with such simplistic answers to problems (like sex criminals) such as the one suggested, BECAUSE we have such a weak, infantilized culture; the only solution such infantilized 'grown monsters' can find, is to 'blow 'em away - ask questions later.'

Perhaps the culture is infantilized because we've had it inhumanly /easy/ here, with the amount of work done by machines. We're so weak and infantile because we're so 'civilized'.


Well maybe we aren't supposed to have life so easy eh? there are millions who don't have life this easy and they get rid of their problem people by offing them. Ok. Fine. Its not like we haven't been there before or will be again. When TSHTF life won't be easy for most of if not all of us.

If "Law and order" break down do we really want people like this running around? among us? while we are just trying to survive, do we really want predators like this around? I sure as hell don't but lets for get you and me for a moment. the guy who did the shooting is quite possibly "broken" must have had some event in his own history that acted as a catalyst for his behaviour. so who is the victim now? him or the people he shot?

who cares. I say give him a medal, a few less animals to worry about.
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