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What level of porn should be illegal?

Current levels (underage)
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Proposed levels (Beastiality)
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Proposed levels (S&M, Cleveland Steamer)
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All Hardcore
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All Porn, whatsoever
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None, whatsoever (I dare you...)
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Total votes : 46

Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 15:18:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'I') think you're deliberately just ignoring the entire issue at this point.....

Sounds like now you're advocating that the most deplorable stuff on film should be allowed no problem..... the "community" is who has decided that kiddie porn is wrong. Guess we're not allowed to draw the line anywhere now...


Actually, you're wrong. If constitutional and state rights to consent are being violated, then the offenders would be prosecuted - but not under obscenity laws. They would be prosecuted under regular criminal law.

There is a 'line', and it's drawn at the constitution.
You're not going to nail me on the cross of moral relativism here.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 15:24:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'I')'m advocating that we don't codify anything beyond what's already on the books. I say let the courts and juries decide what the standards should be instead of the lawmakers. The best way to test the community standards is to bring the really deplorable stuff to court and see if it flies. Apparently I give juries much more respect than you do. It's up to public attourneys to decide what to bring to court, if anything, for violating community standards. Whether they lose or win will set precedents which the adult industry can use as a guideline. As it is now they have nothing but "anything goes" to decide on since there hasn't been any cases in so long.

I personally see no problem with this FBI Effort, it's fine by me, and I don't feel that my personal freedom is threatened by it at all, and my personal opinions on porn are irrelevant to my opinion on this specific matter.


What about straight, one-on-one gay porn? Even softcore. Do you think that would fly in most communities in Amerika? Do you think Plano, Texas or Mesa, Arizona cares to have this stuff around? Do you think that the 'community' is objective enough not to bring its religious/moral bias into their decision to ban the stuff? I'm sorry, but I don't have that much faith in any 'community'.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby PhilBiker » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 15:34:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'W')hat about straight, one-on-one gay porn? Even softcore. Do you think that would fly in most communities in Amerika? Do you think Plano, Texas or Mesa, Arizona cares to have this stuff around? Do you think that the 'community' is objective enough not to bring its religious/moral bias into their decision to ban the stuff? I'm sorry, but I don't have that much faith in any 'community'.
Think the FBI team will convince an public attourney to bring a case against that to court? I don't. I guess the difference here is that you just have some need to whine and feel repressed and morally superior and I am willing to just let our democracy work.

Since you're so much smarter than everyone else you've decided you had better protect them from themselves. I'll bet you call them "sheep" too right?

Or maybe you just don't know the difference between a mountain and a molehill.....
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 16:03:02

Two prudes voted that all porn should be banned... 8O
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 16:59:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', '.')..I am willing to just let our democracy work.


It's funny how true 'democracy' is constantly at odds with our Constitution, isn't it?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'S')ince you're so much smarter than everyone else you've decided you had better protect them from themselves. I'll bet you call them "sheep" too right?

Or maybe you just don't know the difference between a mountain and a molehill.....


What twisted hyperbole. I'm saying LET THE MARKET DECIDE, which essentially means EVERYONE DECIDES FOR THEMSELVES what's 'obscene' within the context of the law, and forces their opinion ON NO ONE ELSE.

You suggest LETTING THE COMMUNITY DECIDE what's obscene FOR ME.
*bleat* *bleat*
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 17:12:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')) attempts to produce arousal through imitation of illegal activity (such arousal is itself considered motive for crime by some courts)


Wouldn't many movies be banned with that too? Just change the word "arouse " to "enterntertain".
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby PhilBiker » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 09:11:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', '.')..I am willing to just let our democracy work.


It's funny how true 'democracy' is constantly at odds with our Constitution, isn't it?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'S')ince you're so much smarter than everyone else you've decided you had better protect them from themselves. I'll bet you call them "sheep" too right?

Or maybe you just don't know the difference between a mountain and a molehill.....


What twisted hyperbole. I'm saying LET THE MARKET DECIDE, which essentially means EVERYONE DECIDES FOR THEMSELVES what's 'obscene' within the context of the law, and forces their opinion ON NO ONE ELSE.

You suggest LETTING THE COMMUNITY DECIDE what's obscene FOR ME.
*bleat* *bleat*
If this is such a big deal maybe you should consider moving to Amsterdam.

So far we're letting the market decide what to do about the upcoming energy crisis. Markets seem to be your sacred cow when it comes to porn, is the market always right? Do you believe that the almighty markets will save us from the upcoming energy crisis?

Hey maybe the market will decide that snuff will sell enough copies to be profitable? So are you saying you want that to be legal? There is a market for simulated rape, that's ok, right? There's a market for animal movies and child movies. Let the market decide right? Or do you have to draw the line somewhere? How do you draw the line? Apparently you want it both ways - you want people to have the freedom to make the movies you think are ok for them to make (even if you personally don't care for them), meanwhile you don't want anyone else to be able to pass judgement on what should be allowed because it doesn't pass your personal lithmus test.

Meanwhile you insult the average juror who would potentially decide on the prospective cases as righ wing morons. I personally think that jurors are a lot smarter, tolerant, and more aware of the issues then you give them credit for.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby PhilBiker » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 09:15:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')) attempts to produce arousal through imitation of illegal activity (such arousal is itself considered motive for crime by some courts)


Wouldn't many movies be banned with that too? Just change the word "arouse " to "enterntertain".
Yes. And banning children and animals like Elijah suggests$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')) involves any non-consenting individuals, animals, children, drugged prom dates
could, if interpreted literally, render illegal that cute famous old Coppertone print with the dog pulling the little girl's bathing suit off. That's why these things have to be decided on a case-by-case basis.

Emerson, you really need to drink less coffee. This is nowhere near the big deal that you're making it. Do you overreact to the extreme like this all the time?
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby MacG » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 09:28:21

*Sigh*

Is it not enough that you subsidize cocaine, hemp and poppies? Do you neccesarily have to start subsidizing porn also? The marvelous profits from illegal drugs comes only from the fact that they are criminalized.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 28 Sep 2005, 11:12:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'I')f this is such a big deal maybe you should consider moving to Amsterdam.

So far we're letting the market decide what to do about the upcoming energy crisis. Markets seem to be your sacred cow when it comes to porn, is the market always right? Do you believe that the almighty markets will save us from the upcoming energy crisis?


It's not so much the 'market' that I believe in, but rather that government intervention rarely solves problems, especially when it comes to legislating a certain group's moral agenda. See government drug policy for example.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'H')ey maybe the market will decide that snuff will sell enough copies to be profitable? So are you saying you want that to be legal? There is a market for simulated rape, that's ok, right? There's a market for animal movies and child movies. Let the market decide right? Or do you have to draw the line somewhere? How do you draw the line? Apparently you want it both ways - you want people to have the freedom to make the movies you think are ok for them to make (even if you personally don't care for them), meanwhile you don't want anyone else to be able to pass judgement on what should be allowed because it doesn't pass your personal lithmus test.


Now, who's talking absolutes? As I've stated *often* before, if one's rights are infringed upon, then prosecutions should follow, no questions asked. That being said, no one has a right to *not be offended*, rather it be by a seedy fetish tape or an idiotic Eminem tune. The 'market' can turn the TV off or turn the radio to another station, one that's more 'in line' with their tastes and sensibilities. Might I point you in the direction of George Carlin for more wisdom on this matter?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'M')eanwhile you insult the average juror who would potentially decide on the prospective cases as righ wing morons. I personally think that jurors are a lot smarter, tolerant, and more aware of the issues then you give them credit for.


Yeah, soccer moms don't often base their opinions on what they wouldn't want their children to see...

They want a world sanitized for a 5-year old's consumption. And, by and large, they have one via the nanny state.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby Starvid » Wed 28 Sep 2005, 15:06:54

Porn is good. More porn to the people.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby cube » Thu 06 Oct 2005, 21:07:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yavicleus', 'S')o does this mean no more Bang Bus or Captain Stabin? :lol:
A porn site with no pop ups or ads. Who would of known 5 years ago that the average news site would eventually have more ads then a porno site? The world has changed a lot in 5 years. :-D
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'

Unread postby cube » Thu 06 Oct 2005, 21:13:39

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