Biker good Frontline link. That frontline show is good. I do not want that industry near me at all. My friend in Portland owned a porn shop. I met a hoard of the stars and not to shiny sex workers. Weird and wild to say the least. Its a bad scene. some of the Women and men who do it as a business doing straight stuff are alright. Its when your older or not a "hottie" and your only shot is in the gutter stuff. The things they do are all true. If your a young stud "in the business" around these women watch out. they will proposition u anywhere anytime.
But I think drugs have made it worse.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by holmes » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 15:59:10
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by PhilBiker » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 16:16:33
Emerson did you take the time to watch that documentary I linked to? Highly recommended. This issue is not nearly as simple as you pretentiously and self-righteously (and disingenuously IMO) portray.
Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by emersonbiggins » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 16:29:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'E')merson did you take the time to watch that documentary I linked to? Highly recommended. This issue is not nearly as simple as you pretentiously and self-righteously (and disingenuously IMO) portray.
Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
I did not watch it, I must admit. It's 53 minutes long and I'm at work. It's bad enough that I'm posting on billable time.
And I do agree that most porn is degrading to women, but the degradation and subjugation of women didn't start with the porn age, did it? The burka is as dehumanizing as a whip and handcuffs, IMO.
I'll try to watch tonight. I've seen Pink Flamingos, which would be illegal according to these new standards, so I'm ready for anything.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by lotrfan55345 » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 17:18:18
OMG...
Just keep in the way it is.
Because obviously we have solved every other problem more important than this.
Just keep in the way it is.
Because obviously we have solved every other problem more important than this.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by emersonbiggins » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 22:27:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'E')merson did you take the time to watch that documentary I linked to? Highly recommended. This issue is not nearly as simple as you pretentiously and self-righteously (and disingenuously IMO) portray.
Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
I just watched parts 5 & 6; they seemed to be the focus of the documentary. While I agree that the violent scene is a bit much for my tastes, I can't concede that there is some arbitrary 'community' standard to which we should adhere. The 'community' standard seems set up to fail porn of any kind from 'passing the test', especially when you consider who might be 'giving the test'. I can't expect that 60 and 70 year olds would have the same standards as a 20-30 year old, so how can the test be relevant? Using this logic, you could outlaw rap music, as it offends most people in the community, but appeals greatly to its core audience.
We've got to have something more tangible to use as a 'community standard', if we are to have one at all. Perhaps acts showing depictions of what would be considered felonious crimes, consentual or not, could be the baseline. This would include depictions of rape, murder, molestation and physical abuse. Laws not subject to the whims of the court of public opinion, whatever that might be, are a good start.
Thanks for the links, though. It's a subject that deserves more review by the feds and all of us.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by I_Like_Plants » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 00:30:18
Yes it's a good series but they get to the real meat of the problem in the 2nd to last and last segments. Yikes!! How are rape scenes and snuff films (even if simulated, how can you tell?) and forced, nonconsensual abuse and beating of actresses "good clean innocent fun"?
To the people running that biz, sure it's fun because it's not their Tribe. Look at the noses! Look at the names! It's about time standard are brought in, the standards the mainstream porn industry itself have brought in, even.
Go, Gonzales!
To the people running that biz, sure it's fun because it's not their Tribe. Look at the noses! Look at the names! It's about time standard are brought in, the standards the mainstream porn industry itself have brought in, even.
Go, Gonzales!
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by ubercrap » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 00:34:02
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Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
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Most (not all) of what we call porn is extremely degrading and dehumanizing to women.
Classic liberalism/leftistm-standing up for other people perceived as weak as a reflection of your own feelings of inadequacy. Also, how do you know that the attitude that women can't decide what's best for them isn't more degrading than what you are denouncing? I also detect a hint antiquated notion that women shouldn't enjoy sex.
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Re: FBI Creates 'Porn Squad'
by emersonbiggins » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 09:46:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'H')ow are rape scenes and snuff films (even if simulated, how can you tell?) and forced, nonconsensual abuse and beating of actresses "good clean innocent fun"?
I agree, it doesn't get my rocks off. If there's lawbreaking involved (rape, abuse), it must be punished. But, like I said, baseline standards must not be arbitrary. Like the argument of one of the defense lawyers, you can't expect New Orleans to have the same 'standards' as Cheyenne, Wyoming; just as you can't expect soccer moms to have the same 'standards' as the pierced X-gen.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')t's about time standard are brought in, the standards the mainstream porn industry itself have brought in, even.
Are we talking professional licensure for pornographers?
Would the exam be...nah, I can't do it.
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You wrote that seriously?$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')lassic liberalism/leftistm-standing up for other people perceived as weak as a reflection of your own feelings of inadequacy. Also, how do you know that the attitude that women can't decide what's best for them isn't more degrading than what you are denouncing? I also detect a hint antiquated notion that women shouldn't enjoy sex.
