What is your current doomerocity?

by **Cyrus** » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 23:18:26

There is not much going on right now, so, why not?

(If you don't know how the doomerocity scale works, don't vote!)

EDIT* The poll got messed up so, if you are above 4; note it in text.

by **venky** » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 23:36:04

2.43 and rising rapidly

by **Cyrus** » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 23:38:10

I think this poll will be inaccurate after Rita hits. But, hell; take it anyway!

by **Tyler_JC** » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 23:40:10

I just finished getting yelled at (on the internet) for trying to suggest to a group of Libertarians that pollution might actually be a problem...

My Doomerosity is solidly in the 4-zone.

It might help to tell people what that 6 levels are.

by **Cyrus** » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 23:44:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') just finished getting yelled at (on the internet) for trying to suggest to a group of Libertarians that pollution might actually be a problem...

My Doomerosity is solidly in the 4-zone.

It might help to tell people what that 6 levels are.

by **Jack** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 00:08:42

Stabilized at 5.25

by MD » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 07:42:19

No great fixes to the rescue.
No great calamaties pending.
Economic doldrums.
Oil glut 2006.
North American natural gas crisis this winter.
Real estate bubbles popping here and there.
Lousy retail holiday season.
Finger pointing.

In other words: Business As Usual

doomerosity= One

by **Ludi** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 08:31:36

The more I find out how clueless people are about global climate change and other environmental issues, about sustainability, about our culture's harmful assumptions, the more doomerish I become. Cornucopians and boosterific tech-optimists make me the most doomerish.

But I'm not prepared to pick a number this morning.

by **Raxozanne** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 08:43:29

I don't think we will stop until we smash into the wall of resource limitations. Until then there will just be talk and half-hearted policies but nothing much to rock the boat or dent our ever important economic growth which is needed to show how well we are progressing toward materialistic nirvana.

by **Heineken** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 09:41:44

Why not bother to define, for the uninitiated and semi-initiated, what the numbers represent? What sort of a "poll" is that?

by **Omnitir** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 09:45:11

Short term we are definitely in for some difficult times. How difficult remains to be seen. At the very least a recession, probably leading to a depression – business as usual will probably prove impossible to maintain (which I think in the long term will be a good thing).

Long term, we will solve what currently seems unsolvable. The recession/depression will not last forever.

I don’t have a clue about the scale, but in general, I’m not a doomer, I’m a tech optimist – like what Ludi hates. :razz:

by **NeoPeasant** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 10:01:12

I have taken steps to be reasonably assured that my family will not go hungry, thirsty, homeless or be at the mercy of the lawless during the difficult times that are coming. This gives me some peace of mind as I face the future with eyes open. So I guess you could say I'm optimistic.

by **Pops** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 11:14:53

The Jaymax Scale
I believe Peak Oil will probably be...
0) ... revealed as a myth or conspiracy / alternatively "peak what?"
1) ... passed as a virtual non-event, and won't create any real turmoil
2) ... difficult, but manageable, many people will hurt, but society itself continues
3) ... an economic catastrophe, but society will largely recover within a decade or two
4) ... a global calamity, but most of us will survive somehow and eventually learn to adjust
5) ... the cause of massive human dieoff, society as we know it will not exist within decades
6) ... the end of everything, welcome to the stone age

Original thread:
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic9920.html
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As was pointed out by a certain former politician on every major network this weekend, for the first time in history we depend on borrowing money from countries like China and SA to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan while at the same time giving huge tax breaks to those who need them least.

Now we will borrow a couple hundred billion more to rebuild a city below sea level – not to mention great transportation goals like planting flowers along the Ronald Regan Freeway.

The congress and president have gone money crazy and there is no way to pay that debt plus the debt owed the Social Security trust.

I’ve gone from 2.9 a of couple years ago to 4.6 based mainly on the abandonment of whatever fiscal conservatism there might have once been, for empty hearted pandering.

Hopefully the Dems will regain at least one house next year – at least that way nothing will get done…

Oh yea, then there is PO.

by **Cool Hand Linc** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 13:36:24

Isn't life strange?
A turn of the page.
Can read like before,
Can we ask for more?
Each day passes by,
How hard will man try? :roll:

Doomerocity? very low very low

I don't see an end just a beginning....

1

by **strider3700** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 14:06:26

3.75 steadily climbing from my start of 2.5 and probably on it's way into the 4 to 5 range. Every piece of news lately is bad news

by **Schopenhauer** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 14:38:14

I just finished reading Kunstler's latest post and looked down to see that I had wet my pants. What's the number for that?

by **EnemyCombatant** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 14:52:22

I think humanity is doomed because we fail to have compassion for others. Peak Oil is just a symptom of the problem.

Even if we found an alternative energy tomorrow, the military industrial complex would continue to rape 3rd world countries. There would still be people starving, there still would be children bleeding from their orifices. Not because we don't have enought food or water, becasue we simply don't give a fuck. Or at least not enough to inconvenience ourselves. We, the citizens of this planet, will just look the other way.

Until we declare world peace and a minimum standard of living for every person on this planet, humanity is doomed. Perhaps not physcially, but as a self-respecting species.

by **kmann** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 19:35:09

Between 1 and 5. We're not so far down the road that disaster (or even hardship) can't be averted. On the other hand the windows of opportunity are closing. We don't have a clear direction right now, anything can happen.

by **Drakn** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 20:51:47

2 - the economy will take a hit with less oil, but will be stabilised by the use of coal to make gas/heating oil. After a few decades and coal has peaked there will be limited hydrocarbons to use for liquid fuel. The limit of liquid fuel will change our world. Mass transportation will slowly dissolve. This will force our cities to be either reshaped or abandoned to accomodate little liquid fuel. It is hard to tell whether nuclear reactors will be feasible without a hydrocarbon economy. Because if they really are, that could be feasible for some centuries, depending on how feasible nuclear reactors are without a hydrocarbon base. [You can extract uranium from sea water if you really wanted to.] But at the limit, you have hydroelectricity. And around the dams will be the remnant of high civilisation. [Assuming fusion doesn't fly, which in my opinion isn't that much of an assumption. It also assumes global warming isn't catastrophic, which again in my opinion isn't much of an asumption.]

So no big cracks or explosions as far as I can see, but definetely some tougher times as energy becomes less available.

by **theshadypeach** » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 21:33:22

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/sci ... 312997.ece

OH CRAP

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