[jtmorgan61]

I voted 2. That is, I think there is a strong possibility of a 5-10 year, substantial recession, a lot of people have to spend money they were going to spend elsewhere on renewables, alternative cars, etc. But I don't really know if that scenario is covered by "2".

[DomusAlbion]

I've finally resolved it within myself.

I'm a full out Doomer. You're all going to die!

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'I')'ve finally resolved it within myself.

I'm a full out Doomer. You're all going to die!

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')ustainable economy

[PenultimateManStanding]

Well sure, a steady state economy where our progress is measured in spiritual ways instead of more, bigger, faster, etc. We are clearly headed for a major change. Maybe it can be a change for the better. If we have no choice and finally everybody knows it, who knows what we might accomplish. (this may be another one of those denial-type states, but I can't sustain a doom and gloom attitude and need to hope.)

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell sure, a steady state economy where our progress is measured in spiritual ways instead of more, bigger, faster, etc. We are clearly headed for a major change. Maybe it can be a change for the better.

[Ayoob]

We have too many extra people.

Massive dieoff.

Become useful or arm yourselves.

[The_Toecutter]

Too many extra people is a matter of two things:

1) Opinion
2) Distribution of necessities like food and water

Apparently, we produce enough food to feed everyone, but those starving simply can't afford it! Of course, one could argue this is buffered by cheap oil, and they are right to a large extent, on the otherhand cutting consumption of meat would be able to free up more land for more people and even then may be capable of providing, under the conditions we ween ourselves from oil use.

But given politics today, in government and the oil industry, and how both want to keep the populace under their control with money flowing in, averting that dieoff is not bloody likely.

I'm a doomer, but also of the opinion tragedy could be prevented with proper allocation of resources, public outcry, and an end to this economic system that relies on an unstainable growth level. Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen before the worst of peak oil hits society.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')But given politics today, in government and the oil industry, and how both want to keep the populace under their control with money flowing in, averting that dieoff is not bloody likely.

I'm a doomer, but also of the opinion tragedy could be prevented with proper allocation of resources, public outcry, and an end to this economic system that relies on an unstainable growth level. Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen before the worst of peak oil hits society.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', '
')
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut from 4 to 5 it is not a gradual difference, but a huge gap, between doomers and optimists, basically...

[Grasshopper]

I didn't check this thread out before, because I thought "What kind of word is doomerosity"
But apparently I'm a 3 on the doomerosity index.
I voted 3, but would hope for a 2 or better, even after reading all your replies.
Here's the breakdown after I voted.

0) ... 0% [ 1 ]
1) ... 2% [ 3 ]
2) ... 10% [ 16 ]
3) ... 18% [ 27 ]
4) ... 30% [ 45 ]
5) .. 33% [ 49 ]
6) ... 3% [ 5 ]

Oil shortages will significantly affect all economies, from America to Zimbabwe, mostly in the transportation sector. This means that in the West, people will revert to pre-WWII habits; much less travel, more by bus or train. Many industries related to automobile use will wither away, causing widespread unemployment, people will tend to move closer to, or commute on a weekly basis to their jobs, and stay in boarding houses (converted McMansions or some such, owned by others just trying to get by). Vegetable gardens will no longer be a thing of the past, and recycling and conservation will become the priority that they should have been all along. We certainly won't be hopping in the car and driving to the ice-cream drivein every other night.
In the 3rd World, people are much more pedestrian than here, and small farming is still a mainstay in many countries, so I think they are not so far along the oil-use deadend that Europe and America are on, and can walk back out. With hard work and co-operation (and luck), the West can pull a U-turn as well.
Peak oil will be the last wake-up call for all of us to make a sustainable civilization.

[JudoCow09]

***BUMP***

It's been almost two months since the last post and I was just curious if any new people had something to add.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grasshopper', 'I') didn't check this thread out before, because I thought "What kind of word is doomerosity"
But apparently I'm a 3 on the doomerosity index.
I voted 3, but would hope for a 2 or better, even after reading all your replies.
Here's the breakdown after I voted.

0) ... 0% [ 1 ]
1) ... 2% [ 3 ]
2) ... 10% [ 16 ]
3) ... 18% [ 27 ]
4) ... 30% [ 45 ]
5) .. 33% [ 49 ]
6) ... 3% [ 5 ]

Oil shortages will significantly affect all economies, from America to Zimbabwe, mostly in the transportation sector. This means that in the West, people will revert to pre-WWII habits; much less travel, more by bus or train. Many industries related to automobile use will wither away, causing widespread unemployment, people will tend to move closer to, or commute on a weekly basis to their jobs, and stay in boarding houses (converted McMansions or some such, owned by others just trying to get by). Vegetable gardens will no longer be a thing of the past, and recycling and conservation will become the priority that they should have been all along. We certainly won't be hopping in the car and driving to the ice-cream drivein every other night.
In the 3rd World, people are much more pedestrian than here, and small farming is still a mainstay in many countries, so I think they are not so far along the oil-use deadend that Europe and America are on, and can walk back out. With hard work and co-operation (and luck), the West can pull a U-turn as well.
Peak oil will be the last wake-up call for all of us to make a sustainable civilization.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', '*')**BUMP***

It's been almost two months since the last post and I was just curious if any new people had something to add.

[arocoun]

Easy 5. It's simple ecology. Our natural population limit without oil was 1-2 billion, if things were done just right. With oil--and thus greater food due to fertilizer and transportation technologies--our population limit has risen. Without oil, our limit will fall again, unless we have an alternate source of extra food. I don't see an alternate source, thus the logical conclusion is a decrease of population--a dieoff.

But I don't really consider myself a "doomer," because a decrease of human population and a destruction of our current civiliation are just what this world needs.

[lowem]

Don't know how I've managed to miss this poll for the longest time. I'm looking at 4 and 5, but decided to put down for a 4.

I'd say there's quite a jump between these two options, it's like having to choose between a viewpoint of "no dieoff" vs "massive dieoff". Okay, what about "a gradual decline that accelerates until a form of equilibrium is reached"? Ok, ok, I'll probably be heckled to start my "own" poll

Suspect that the doomers will be happy with options 5 and 6, the moderates will be looking at 3, or perhaps the gap between 4 and 5 like I mentioned, and the cornucopians are welcome to help themselves to the rest

[JudoCow09]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nfortunately I don't think we will consider that as an option until hundreds of millions are already dead.