[Ming]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')C=bad, commies=bad, White Power=good, got it, ooky-dooky.

But what about those studies showing that racist etc. prejudies make one stupid?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ming', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, at least they will be free of sustaining the rich, which should help quite a lot.

[Ming]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')lows of natural resources and capital goes from poor countries to rich.

[Ming]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n capitalistically owned productive facility added value of labor is robbed by the parasitic share-holders or other capitalists.

[jimmydean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ming', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou make it sound as if poor are parasites of the rich, and not the othew way around, or that modern globalized model of corporate neocolonialism is some form of charity?!

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ming', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')lows of natural resources and capital goes from poor countries to rich.

[lateStarter]

In the end, even though Africa as a whole will be a death pit for millions, at the end of they day, there will still be poor farmers living at the same level they have always lived at. They will have no clue that the US went through a period of 'stagflation/depression/whatever'... before it disappeared. They probably won't even hear about the plight of the 'poor' suburbanites who couldn't afford to send their kids to soccer camp or eat out 3 times/week, never mind going to the movies every Saturday!

When all the 'wannabe' assholes kill each other, the rest of the human race will continue at a sustainable rate. Whoever is left, will be mainly concerned with filling their stomachs for that day and maybe the next! I don't think they will be pissed that the latest release of 'Death Storm 57' is unavailable at the local video store.

You can argue all you want about 'this' country or 'that' country (or continent) but in the end, it all boils down to - a bit of luck/a bit of prepardeness/and a bit of how tough are you?

[jaws]

Hasn't enough empirical evidence shown that liberalism is the only system that creates wealth? Socialism ruined every country that implemented it. Liberalism, free trade and free enterprise rescued them. Just look at China and India and try to argue any otherwise.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', 'H')asn't enough empirical evidence shown that liberalism is the only system that creates wealth?

[thorn]

If we could teach them how to farm w/o chemicals it might help. But probably too many people living in a unsustainable area.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Teaching composting for soil improvement in northern Ghana
In the first of a series, Paul describes a three-week volunteer effort to help West African villagers learn about organic farming methods

[jaws]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'N')o. Define liberalism, define wealth.

What capitalism does, is create more and more capital aka speculative bubbles, inequality, wage-slavery, poverty, oppression, incredible waste of natural resources, etc.

[Macsporan]

Although there is certainly enough home-grown corruption, violence, squalor and misery in Africa the outside world has been happy to help.

Centuries of slave-trading by both Europeans and Middle-Easterners (nice to know we had something in common; makes you feel warm inside) bled the place dry.

Then in the 1880-90's is was over-run by rabid Imperialists who stole everything that wasn't nailed down and a good portion of what was, ran some of the nastiest regimes of the pre-totalitarian era of which the Belgians in the Congo and the Germans in Southern Africa were merely the worst.

These Imperialists later fled but not before organising the place into nation-states that in many instances had nothing to do with socio-linguistic-cultural realities.

This has a recipie for non-stop civil war in many of these countries.

During the Cold War both sides supported various vile, corrupt and murderous despots, lit and stoked the fires of war and generally behaved themselves in their customary despicable manner.

Arms dealers prospered but few others.

Exploitative and one-sided economic relationships, pioneered in the Imperial Age have largely persisted. They are now sponsored by the IMF and the World Bank. The Horror, the Horror.

Whatever the origins of AIDs--and there is considerable evidence now that they are the bitter fruit of a vaccination program in the then Belgian Congo that went horribly wrong--the Nice White People of the world have been a long, long way from generous in their response.

I think we owe these people at least one good turn. Not cutting them off without a penny in PO would be a step in the right direction.

[jaws]

The argument that Europeans did some bad things in the past is moot. They are no longer doing them. It has been 50 years since colonialism unraveled. Africans have had two generations to reconstruct their countries, and instead everything went to hell. Those imperialists you blame for pillaging Africa's resource also built railroads and cities and provided jobs for Africans who only alternative was farming land of negligible yield. The imperialists took in return resources the native Africans had no use for. That to me is the definition of a fair trade.

Native Africans spent the last 50 years pillaging whatever the Europeans had left behind in the name of whichever pathetic tribe they belong to. Moving the capital city around when your country flirts with civil war is not a good way to spend the nation's wealth, but this is exactly what the president of Ivory Coast proposed only a few years ago. And that was one of the best countries. Everything else has collapsed into a godforsaken hellhole long ago. Things have gotten so bad Africans are making demonstrations begging to be recolonized. When Liberia fell apart people were in the streets begging George W. Bush to send help. They were begging for Bush's help!!

The future of Africa is to be recolonized. You can't let all those resources go to waste in the post-peak world. Except this time it will not be done by the Europeans and their white guilt ways, it will be done by the Indians or the Chinese who won't have any problems with using as much brutality as they need to get the resources. And it will be Africans' fault because they spent all their time cannibalizing their countries and becoming weaker.

[Macsporan]

You obviously didn't read my post with any attention. White People are still doing bad things.

That may be difficult for you to understand, or maybe you prefer not to.

That's your problem.

One of the major problems of Africa is neo-Imperialism.

Be careful with this talk of "pathetic tribes."

You are loyal to a "pathetic tribe" called the USA, which does far more harm than any African one.

If brutality was the secret of successful colonialism the the Union Jack and the Tricolour would be still flying triumphantly over the Dark Continent.

Believe me, the Chinese can teach Europeans nothing about brutality.

Brutality is a problem, not a solution.

"That to me is the definition of a fair trade." Trade is a voluntary occupation where things of equal value are exchanged.

If its not voluntary and/or the exchange isn't equal that's called Imperialism.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'N')o. Define liberalism, define wealth.

What capitalism does, is create more and more capital aka speculative bubbles, inequality, wage-slavery, poverty, oppression, incredible waste of natural resources, etc.

[jaws]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'Y')ou obviously didn't read my post with any attention. White People are still doing bad things.

That may be difficult for you to understand, or maybe you prefer not to.

That's your problem.

One of the major problems of Africa is neo-Imperialism.

[MagnoliaFan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'B')ehold the true face of demand destruction. Remember, this article could very well be our future, not just something that happens to those hapless Africans. Economists coldly refer to all this starvation, darkness, deforestation, and cold as "demand going down."

[MagnoliaFan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'B')ehold the true face of demand destruction. Remember, this article could very well be our future, not just something that happens to those hapless Africans. Economists coldly refer to all this starvation, darkness, deforestation, and cold as "demand going down."

[MagnoliaFan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', 'I')f "neo-imperialism", whatever that is, is such a problem then explain why Africans are now holding protests begging for Europeans and Americans to intervene in their countries? Your arguments can't be reconciled with reality. If colonialism was so bad they should be happy to have perpetual tribal civil war instead of European hegemony, shouldn't they?

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'Y')ou obviously didn't read my post with any attention. White People are still doing bad things.

That may be difficult for you to understand, or maybe you prefer not to.

That's your problem.

One of the major problems of Africa is neo-Imperialism.