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Life and Death Situation. What Would YOU Do?

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10 years post peak. What do you do?

Poll ended at Fri 08 Oct 2004, 04:22:23

The last thing they would see is the muzzle flash of my AK-47. No one threatens me in my own house
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I would politely ask them to leave my and hope for the best
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I would give the starving bandits what little food my family had left without a fight. Guess I'm a wimp.
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I would give them my wife/husband in exchange for them sparing my life
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I would fight with my bare hands or perhaps a baseball bat, because I don't own a gun and don't like guns. Maybe my family could escape while I get hacked to death
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Total votes : 31

Life and Death Situation. What Would YOU Do?

Unread postby NevadaGhosts » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 04:22:23

This is only a theoretical situation. But all the same very possible in post-peak. I would shoot anyone breaking down my door and threatening me and my family in an anarchy situation.
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Unread postby jato » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 05:03:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he last thing they would see is the muzzle flash of my AK-47. No one threatens me in my own house


I've got a gun, two acres and a shovel. Any questions? [smilie=qleft3.gif]
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Unread postby Ayoob » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 10:54:09

It would actually be a 12-gauge, but yeah. That would be that. I wonder if I'd live through it.
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Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 11:23:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he last thing they would see is the muzzle flash of my AK-47. No one threatens me in my own house


I've got a gun, two acres and a shovel. Any questions? [smilie=qleft3.gif]


What about bullets? :lol:
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Unread postby Yavicleus » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 13:48:13

I'm dissapointed you didn't list, "but I AM one of the bandits..." as an option.
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Unread postby stepka » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 15:19:43

Don't forget to plant em in the garden--heaven forbid you should waste good fertilizer! 8O
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Unread postby jato » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 16:47:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat about bullets?


You mean cartridges? Got plenty of them. :lol:
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Re: Life and Death Situation. What Would YOU Do?

Unread postby Jack » Wed 08 Sep 2004, 23:17:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NevadaGhosts', 'T')his is only a theoretical situation. But all the same very possible in post-peak. I would shoot anyone breaking down my door and threatening me and my family in an anarchy situation.


I voted for using the AK; that being said, it probably isn't optimal for the job. A full-sized rifle cartridge has too much penetration, and might injure the neighbors.

A 12 gauge shotgun might be better, perhaps with a load of two #10 shot shells, two #00 buckshot shells, and a slug. The advantage of #10 shot is that you can terminate an enemy that is close, but the shot won't be lethal after it penetrates two layers of wallboard - thus being optimal for close urban combat. The buckshot and slug have advantages if the first two shots don't suffice.

For open areas, of course, the AK would be nice...
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Unread postby NevadaGhosts » Thu 09 Sep 2004, 01:36:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') voted for using the AK; that being said, it probably isn't optimal for the job. A full-sized rifle cartridge has too much penetration, and might injure the neighbors.

A 12 gauge shotgun might be better, perhaps with a load of two #10 shot shells, two #00 buckshot shells, and a slug. The advantage of #10 shot is that you can terminate an enemy that is close, but the shot won't be lethal after it penetrates two layers of wallboard - thus being optimal for close urban combat. The buckshot and slug have advantages if the first two shots don't suffice.

For open areas, of course, the AK would be nice...


Hi Jack. I totally agree. Too much penetration and smaller exit hole causes less bodily damage. The .223 shell my XM15 fires is high velocity but fragments easily while tumbling, causing massive internal body damage. Guess that's why the US military uses them. Still looking to get an AK-47 clone and a good shotgun too.
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Unread postby davidyson » Thu 09 Sep 2004, 05:34:38

Your forgot to add a couple of voting options:

- They can't break my front door because seeing that society is collapsing, I have improved security measures in my home.

- I am calling the police and it will get to my place in time to arrest or chase away the bandits.

- There won't be any bandits at my door, because society will not collapse due to a lack of guns (I am living in Europe).

- There won't be any bandits at my door, because society will not collapse. But my neighbour knocks and I shoot him down because I am so desparately waiting for some bandidts and I urgently need an excuse to shoot someone down.

Sorry for the provocation.

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Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Thu 09 Sep 2004, 05:50:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davidyson', '
')- There won't be any bandits at my door, because society will not collapse. But my neighbour knocks and I shoot him down because I am so desparately waiting for some bandidts and I urgently need an excuse to shoot someone down.

Sorry for the provocation.

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hahah good point davidyson !! , My money is on NevadaGhosts shooting his mailman a few days post peak mistaking him for a food stealing bandit!! :lol: :twisted:



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Unread postby rallyman » Thu 09 Sep 2004, 07:16:34

I'm sort of partial to either a flame thrower - although its prolly best left to use outside the home, and not in a dry environment (summer in So Cal)- or a white phosporus grenade....uhhh prolly best used outside the home also....never mind..... :oops: I guess I'll second the shotgun suggestion....lotsa bird shot at close range in the house to be followed up with buckshot or slugs.....
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Unread postby Falconoffury » Thu 09 Sep 2004, 10:50:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-') There won't be any bandits at my door, because society will not collapse due to a lack of guns (I am living in Europe).

- There won't be any bandits at my door, because society will not collapse. But my neighbour knocks and I shoot him down because I am so desparately waiting for some bandidts and I urgently need an excuse to shoot someone down.


I think the society collapsing part was the point of this thread. Bandits at the door is possible in any country, and you should think about that possibility, not ignore it.
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Unread postby davidyson » Fri 10 Sep 2004, 06:59:33

Sure, Bandits at the Door could happen. But if the probability is too low, why bother?

In the highly theoretical event, I would of course defend my family with every means I can think of.

But I think the point in this thread was to promote the idea that everyone should have a gun - which I think will just hasten the collapse, not make it any better.

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Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 10 Sep 2004, 13:43:40

According to the media, the political far-right is populated by paranoids and crazies, denizens of the “lunatic fringe.” But people with political views, which at first glance we find hard to understand, might not necessarily be crazy or irrational.

Why would patriotic Americans feel justified in carrying out a terrorist attack against the U.S. government, such as the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City and the outright murder of 168 innocent men, women and children? What would lead self-proclaimed “Patriots” to organize and arm themselves for war against their own government? Why do they fear that any day agents of the U.S. government will come to confiscate their property and arrest or even kill them? What leads them to believe that the United Nations and other international institutions are a grave threat to American sovereignty and the security of our Constitutional rights and liberties? Why would they see themselves as modern-day minutemen, citizen-soldiers prepared to defend their liberties against the depredations of federal agents and international elites?

However misplaced and misguided, they may be trying to make sense of a complex and changing world in terms of the ideas and information available to them. The goal here is not to arouse your sympathy for Patriot ideology, or to excuse the angry words or violent deeds of some Patriots. Rather, we will seek a critical understanding of their world view.

If you are like most Americans, you probably take it for granted that the U.S. is a democracy, and that democracy is a good thing. It may seem surprising, then, to find large numbers of people who consider themselves patriotic Americans but who deplore democracy and insist that the founders of our system of government never intended that it be a democracy. Far-right ideology does not recognize conventional political distinctions between “left” and “right.” However, like conservatives, Patriots believe that the government is too big and powerful, and that this damages individual rights and liberties. What separates Patriots from more mainstream conservatives is the Patriots' belief that the U.S. is now ruled by a tyrannical government which has far over-stepped the boundaries of legitimate federal power as laid out in the U.S. Constitution.

Militias place much stock in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which says: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Militia members interpret this as Constitutional authority for them to own military-type firearms, and to organize and train as a citizens' military force. They see themselves as the spiritual descendants of the minutemen, ready to take up arms and fight the enemies of liberty on short notice.

For militia members and their sympathizers, then, gun control takes on a special significance. As they see it, military-style weapons are essential for them to fulfill their constitutional role. When the government limits their liberty to own and use firearms, it reduces their ability to resist tyranny and so moves us all one step closer to slavery. Disarmament is a necessary prelude to the pacification and subordination of a once free people and, since Patriots generally believe that this is indeed the ultimate goal of the elite conspirators, it seems to follow that elites will enforce gun control as part of their agenda of domination.

They feel an armed citizen militia may be all that stands between us and the dreaded New World Order. And, of course, it stands to reason that the conspirators will try to crush such resistance, so Patriots and militia members expect to be the targets of federal agencies like the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), whom they depict as the storm troopers of the New World Order.

Bottom line, they expect stormtroopers at their door, not bandits. If things do go south, whatever we did to prepare will need to be protected from those who didn't.
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Unread postby nero » Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:15:47

You forgot to add the option:

You politely let them in because you didn't recognize that your neighbours were bandits and they tricked you by coming to the door with an empty sugar bowl in their hand. :)
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Unread postby jato » Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:23:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.Militia members interpret this as Constitutional authority for them to own military-type firearms, and to organize and train as a citizens' military force.


Interesting. What other valid interpretation is there?

Current Democrat's interpretation: The people can own "hunting firearms". Assault weapons are only for the military.


"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is pretty clear to me. The Bill of Rights was put in place to restrict the Government's power, NOT the people's freedom!

My opinion is we need the Bill of Rights now more than we ever have. Peak Oil is going to be a crisis like the world has never seen.

I am a stupid Yankee and proud of it! :lol:
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Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:40:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', ' ')[
My opinion is we need the Bill of Rights now more than we ever have. Peak Oil is going to be a crisis like the world has never seen.


I agree. That is precisely what a Republic accomplished. A Republic is simply a limited Democracy—a Democracy with limits on what the group can do, with limits on what the majority can do. Republics are characterized by written constitutions that say the government—even though it represents the majority—shall not do this; the government shall not do that; and it shall be prevented from doing that, also.

Consider Section 218 of the Patriot Act. Under it, an officer of the law need not find probable cause to pry into someone’s private life as long as a claim can be made that such prying has even the tiniest link to “foreign intelligence” activities. Having been a Federal law enforcement officer with the NPS, I see obvious opportunity for abuse.

Section-213-Allows the FBI to secretly use “sneak and peek” warrants to search a citizen’s home and to seize property.

Section 206-Expands the use of “roving wiretaps” and other surveillance equipment to permit monitoring of telephones, e-mail, and other devices without naming the individual targeted.

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Unread postby Terran » Fri 10 Sep 2004, 21:45:12

I voted an AK-47. Most likely I wouldn't own it in the first place, I think I'll be better off owning a gun that's legal. I will resort to other weapons on hand, almost anything can be converted into a weapon to some degree.
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Unread postby NevadaGhosts » Fri 10 Sep 2004, 22:12:37

Hmmm. I am surprised no one chose the 4th choice. Guess everyone here is happily married. :lol:
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