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In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 04:00:26

I'm pretty much done with my preparations and unless attacked by suburban Mad Maxers, I plan to survive whatever comes and will be highly enthused if the world can recover from this 100 years of insanity and environmental destruction caused by oil, energy fever and the severe overpopulation of the planet.

I remember the '50s and '60s, and the world was still a beautiful, healthy place back then. The American West, in particular, was simply a wonderful region, impossible to describe without using the word reverence.

As a journalist, the coming years will be fascinating to me. How will governments cope? Will the big-boxes go away and allow Main Street and local manfacturing to return? Will the ugly and unhealthy industrial agriculture fade into oblivion, allowing farms to return to America? Will the Interstate highway system grow over with wildflowers? Will culture start to return to a world grown listless and sickened by mass media, corrupted government and millions of sodium-vapor lights blotting out our view of the Milky Way?

I guess what I am is an optimist hoping for a die-off scenario to save us from ourselves and restore the world to its natural balance.
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby turmoil » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 04:06:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'I') guess what I am is an optimist hoping for a die-off scenario to save us from ourselves and restore the world to its natural balance.

Roger that..
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 04:07:04

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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Raxozanne » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 04:16:33

Count me in.
Hello, my name is Rax. I live in the Amazon jungle with a bunch of women. We are super eco feminists and our favourite passtimes are dangling men by their ankles and discussing peak oil. - apparently
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 04:24:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'I') guess what I am is an optimist hoping for a die-off scenario to save us from ourselves and restore the world to its natural balance.

The silver lining of oil depletion...
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby BorneoRagnarok » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 05:38:35

Why don't someone create more Chernobyls and natural will heal itself with radioactive resistant animal. Human will never come near again except this hot radioactive chick.

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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 07:08:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BorneoRagnarok', 'W')hy don't someone create more Chernobyls and natural will heal itself with radioactive resistant animal. Human will never come near again except this hot radioactive chick.

After 18 years


Russia might be thinking of it.
I prefer Americas reactors because there meltdown proof. Cant beat a 100% safe reactor.
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 07:55:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') guess what I am is an optimist hoping for a die-off scenario to save us from ourselves and restore the world to its natural balance.


NIMBY!


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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby BorneoRagnarok » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 08:31:38

Dieoff is bad for human. However without human, animals and fauna can survive in an highly radioactive environment. By the way, Iranian people can stand higher level of radiation than normal people.

Elana the hot chick sucks all the radioactive dust to bring us post dieoffs pictures.Enjoy!!

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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby gg3 » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 08:59:21

Die-off is defeat, and only slightly better than kill-off (involuntary mass "euthanasia"). That is, surrender is only slightly better than doing your adversary's work for him by shooting your own people.

In the end we will fight to sustain, and we will cooperate more than the naysayers can possibly imagine. If history is any guide, our species will survive to tell the stories for generations.
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 09:57:11

We can hope that what is bad will die off and what is good will survive, but the reality may be sadly different. As your own post suggests, Colorado, much has already been lost. And the Wal-Mart/Sheetz QuikShopper civilization is going to do a lot more damage in its death throes.

I know that I will take personal satisfaction in some of the changes that are coming, even if they kill me. For one thing, I want to see the cornucopians' horn of plenty stuck up their stupid butts. I want to see the neocons universally reviled. I want to see rednecks riding bicycles.
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 12:37:06

Great post
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 15:29:03

Thanks, dukat. You're a great new member, and I'm glad you're with us.
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 15:58:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukat', 'G')reat post


What he said...
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Bedevere » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 16:36:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'R')ussia might be thinking of it.
I prefer Americas reactors because there meltdown proof. Cant beat a 100% safe reactor.

Uhhhhhh.....America's reactors are very much NOT meltdown proof.....there have been a few close calls with LWR's and PWR's. I think that US's nuclear industry is more susceptible than most countries' because of deregulation of the industry - with less government involvement, safety and disposal procedures are less likely to be strictly followed. We all know about Three Mile Island. See also US nuclear accidents.

As a side note Russia no longer operates RBMK reactors (ie Chernobyl) and now only operates plants similar to the ones in the US.
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby bart » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 18:25:16

Sorry guys, I think doomerism is doomed.

1. If the Peak Oil don't get you, then Global Warming will.

2. Even with the die-off scenario, there will be wars, depressions, diseases... no one will be immune, no one can hide.

3. Politically, doomerism is insane. For quite a while, central governments will have access to fossil fuels and power, with the potential for good or evil.

4. Morally, doomerism is the pits. So, you will stand by and let hundreds of millions die, without lifting a finger? How will you be judged by history?

5. The complete lack of historical consciousness is amazing. In previous eras, nations were quite able to deal with severe cutbacks in resources. In our own era, Cuba is an outstanding example -- whether you agree with its politics or not. Many nations in WW2 endured severe cutbacks. The key is whether a society can muster the co-operative spirit to deal with challenges. Physical resources are secondary.

I guess this is where I part company with the peakoil.com folks. I'm sorry to see most of you go down this path, but good luck anyway.

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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby turmoil » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 18:33:55

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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby eric_b » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 20:33:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', '
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Will culture start to return to a world grown listless and sickened by mass media, corrupted government and millions of sodium-vapor lights blotting out our view of the Milky Way?



Had to comment, in tangental fashion, on the street lights.

Those God awful orange HPS streetlights. I'm looking forward to the day when
energy prices become high enough that their use will be greatly curtailed.

Hard to see much of the nightsky from quite a few places in the US (and much of
the world) because of them. A great tragedy.

Don't see why they're are used to heavily. They're so bright they prevent good dark
adaption, and besides that's what headlights are for on cars.

Only reason I'd consider buying an air rifle of some sort is to shoot out street lights with. :-x
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 22:38:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bedevere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'R')ussia might be thinking of it.
I prefer Americas reactors because there meltdown proof. Cant beat a 100% safe reactor.

Uhhhhhh.....America's reactors are very much NOT meltdown proof.....there have been a few close calls with LWR's and PWR's. I think that US's nuclear industry is more susceptible than most countries' because of deregulation of the industry - with less government involvement, safety and disposal procedures are less likely to be strictly followed. We all know about Three Mile Island. See also US nuclear accidents.

As a side note Russia no longer operates RBMK reactors (ie Chernobyl) and now only operates plants similar to the ones in the US.


Uhhhh......Yes they are. Current technology reactors will not melt down.
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Re: In praise of die-offs

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Sat 13 Aug 2005, 22:48:31

You ppl are fucked up. You want to help the environment so bad, go jump off a bridge.

Be careful what you wish for.
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