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Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 18 Dec 2024, 17:17:21

Textron Halts ATV, UTV, Snowmobile Production Amid Imploding Consumer Demand

Collapse? Well certainly, since our entire civilization is built on consumer consumption :lol:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')efense contractor and industrial conglomerate Textron has halted production of its entire powersports product line within its Specialized Vehicles unit, which includes golf carts, utility vehicles, side-by-sides, ATVs, and snowmobiles. Textron cited "soft" consumer end-market powersports demand, a warning that overlaps with Polaris' concerns about "challenging retail demand" for its ATVs, UTVs, and jet skis.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/textr ... mer-demand

Were seeing it across the board in consumer products, new car sales too. So what's booming, NVIDEA of course, the AI bubble. Somehow I think people would be more interested in a new car or Snowmobile than an iphone that pretends to be smart. But I suppose when you can't afford a new car at least you can park the old one around the corner from the coffee shop and walk in with your new cell phone and still look rich :roll:
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 18 Dec 2024, 20:48:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Were seeing it across the board in consumer products, new car sales too. So what's booming, NVIDEA of course, the AI bubble. Somehow I think people would be more interested in a new car or Snowmobile than an iphone that pretends to be smart. But I suppose when you can't afford a new car at least you can park the old one around the corner from the coffee shop and walk in with your new cell phone and still look rich :roll:


Are you really so shallow as to project that "looking rich" is like some sort of life goal? Is that what you learned living and working in Australia, that "looking rich" is a life goal? I think you've been spending too much time on TicTok or something.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 19 Dec 2024, 03:22:14

To those visitors to the forum, I apologize for the mess created by poster adam-b. In his defense he is the inhabitant of an empire dying before his very eyes and this causes him a lot of mental anguish and leads to the tendency to lash out at others. Those of you who have studied the collapse of the British or French empires know exactly what he's going through and he deserves our pity, though not our head space. Joining the forum allows you to add him to a foe list where you don't see his comments. It's a little cruel I know, but I assure you he has bigger things to worry about than being snubbed by people from the first world.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 19 Dec 2024, 04:09:13

Gross Domestic Profit is a flawed metric, since in many nations it now depends on financial transactions that more often that not impoverish the nation. Like the high cost of insurance 'products', exorbitant bank 'products' like mortgages and credit card debt, and a high level of back and forward transactions in the share market that including sales of these 'products' to other nations. GDP per capita is another, it's put forward as though the wealth is shared but when a bank makes a multi-billion profit off it's customers it's pretty obvious who is getting wealthy and who is being impoverished.

Investors in Tesla? Well they have never been paid a dime in dividends yet the CEO has walked away with Billions. Was Tesla ever good for the people? Yes, the select people in Government, Wall Street, and those insiders that have taken vast profits off the table by selling the shares they held from back when it was a single digit listing. The vast majority just sit on the shares, knowing that when they sell the capital gains tax vampire is waiting in the shadows.

Poverty, if you look at history it is the leading cause of collapse. It lead to the French revolution and the collapse of that system. It lead to the collapse of the Roman Empire, where even the silver currency was so watered down it became worthless. The collapse of the British Empire was the result of the debts it accumulated. And as is often the case in these big Empires, the race to poverty is hurried along by the vast sums taken from the people and spent on military "policing" of the regions under their control. Australia was slated to buy a fleet of nuclear attack submarines in a special pact with the US and Britain, but that has been shelved now. The US itself will provide the subs to police our Northern waters. Some are calling this a loss for Australia but for the Australian people it's a huge win!

A perusal of the following table shows that the people of the former Empires occupy positions far down the ladder of personal wealth. In a sense these nations have been gutted, their wealth exploited by their elite classes, and they never recovered.

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Here is a more up to date set, note the difference between Average wealth and Median wealth. The average wealth statistic is what is often cited in stories and is very misleading, unless you are super rich that is 8)

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/top-10 ... er-person/

Look around the globe at the nations that are in turmoil and the common factor is poverty.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby mousepad » Thu 19 Dec 2024, 08:33:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Here is a more up to date set, note the difference between Average wealth and Median wealth. The average wealth statistic is what is often cited in stories and is very misleading, unless you are super rich that is 8)


yes, the wealth and income gap getting bigger and bigger is not a good thing for social stability.
Unfortunately none of our dear leader parties have a solution.

One screams "tax the rich" and redistribute the wealth a la kommunism. The other parrots free market and trickle down. Not good. The super rich must be reigned in naturally while giving the poor a fighting chance without making them dependent on welfare.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 20 Dec 2024, 02:47:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', 'O')ne screams "tax the rich" and redistribute the wealth a la kommunism. The other parrots free market and trickle down. Not good. The super rich must be reigned in naturally while giving the poor a fighting chance without making them dependent on welfare.


I was always of the opinion that the world would simply revert to the status quo enjoyed before the mass consumption of oil. namely a small group of insanely Rich people, a larger group of businessmen and entrepreneurs under them, and the vast poverty stricken working class. It all boils down to energy. When you don't have 10,000 oil slaves per person to farm the land and build the infrastructure you need human labor, and by necessity it must be cheap. Of course this shift is already underway across much of the globe, it's why the formerly wealthy Western nations are collapsing into poverty.

It's the real message of PeakOil. Store up the things of value now that will be of value when the current oil powered system collapses. The list is short.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 20 Dec 2024, 23:19:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')It's the real message of PeakOil. Store up the things of value now that will be of value when the current oil powered system collapses.


That was never the message of peak oil. The message was simple, involved a peak in oil production, and the simpletons ran with it just as you do. Buy a doomstead, hunting or fishing cabin, PMs are the answer, the END IS NIGH, MZBs are coming, etc etc. I don't know where you were when it began to be used as the mechanism to create a doomer porn fantasy circa 2002-2005, but I imagine being older and uneducated, you didn't read much as part of your working career. Otherwise you would know several obvious things, the first being what I just mentioned from the perspective of someone who was there during that time, and that the folks who fell for it fell for it as an excuse to dream of doomer porn. Same as you. Some them hook line and sinker, to the point where when it didn't happen they began manufacturing all the excuses as to why..some of which the uneducated are still falling for this very day. You are more like a hanger on to the ideas of others, and can't be bother to go all in. Which is why your toys are so important. You play at peak oil doomer porn, as just as excuse to have something to talk about other than how to dig a sewage line.

You can't pick your oils off a global list. There is a reason why you can't do something a 5 year old could do with their favorite toys. Because you don't know dick about the topic you want to use as your doom trigger. With some weird Hitler fetish as some sort of "he had some good ideas" nonsense thrown in to demonstate why education matters.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 22 Dec 2024, 16:02:15

You just stick to the TV adam, it'll all be over for you soon

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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 22 Dec 2024, 18:11:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou just stick to the TV adam, it'll all be over for you soon

Simpletons like you said the same thing around 2005.

While history doesn't repeat itself, it often rhymes. You just being one in the new generation, unable to even learn from the history of your clan.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 23 Dec 2024, 02:07:16

Trump Threatens To Take Back Panama Canal As He Declares "Golden Age Of America Is Upon Us"

Golden age, like in sunset. :roll:
Oh the old man is a nut alright, he seems to think because he dodged a bullet he's anointed by God.
He reminds me of a demented Roman Emperor.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')onald Trump warned that his new administration could try to regain control of the Panama Canal that the United States “foolishly” ceded to its Central American ally, contending that shippers are charged “ridiculous” fees to pass through the vital transportation channel linking the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.

“The Panama Canal is considered a VITAL National Asset for the United States, due to its critical role to America’s Economy and National Security. If the principles, both moral and legal, of this magnanimous gesture of giving are not followed, then we will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to us, in full, and without question.
In response, Elon Musk, whom liberals now accuse of being Trump's puppetmaster having seemingly vanquished Putin in this alleged task, responded that "2025 is gonna be so lit", which it of course will be if Trump pulls a Russia and decides that it is indeed time to annex the Panama canal.

He's warning everyone everywhere, not to mess with the US, just toe the line, no matter how stupid or impractical.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')anama’s conservative president José Raúl Mulino, who was elected in May on a pro-business platform, roundly rejected the notion as an affront to his country’s sovereignty.
https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/18 ... 3316319337

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Panama Canal has experienced a 29% decrease in ship transits over the past fiscal year due to severe drought conditions, according to the canal authority. From October 2023 to September 2024, only 9,944 vessels passed through the canal, compared to 14,080 the previous year.

That's why they have to charge so much. But Since it's a climate related issue the incoming US government is in full denial.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 24 Dec 2024, 11:02:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Trump Threatens To Take Back Panama Canal As He Declares "Golden Age Of America Is Upon Us"

Golden age, like in sunset. :roll:
Oh the old man is a nut alright, he seems to think because he dodged a bullet he's anointed by God.
He reminds me of a demented Roman Emperor.


Sort of, yes. But here is a key difference between living in some 3rd rate colony bowing and scraping at the feet of your King, and living in America under more normal Presidents, or even those who are convicted felons and sexual assaulter types.

If Trump wants to take back the Panama Canal, by force, he could. Easily. Could do the same with Australia, but there isn't there of much use when they are already supplicants to the Crown, and all we'd have to do is tell your King to get his ass moving in some direction, and he would.

These things would fit well with our Presidents childish behavior in general, writ large, but things that your country could only dream of are quite possible when America decides to do it, even with a different dementia addled geriatric in charge.

Hell, America built the Canal, a century before Australia demonstrated that they can't build a Ferris wheel.

Now run along and remember, NOBODY has ever thought Australia is the land of the exceptional because...obviously....it has people like you all over the place.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Dec 2024, 15:58:01

Assistant Professor, Critical Disability Studies, Carleton University

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am a critical disability studies scholar who draws on feminist new materialism to examine disabled and mad students' experiences in higher education. My scholarly contributions lie at the theoretical and pedagogical intersections of disability, mad, and fat studies and include socio-historical examinations that surface the interconnections of colonialism, racism, ableism, sanism, and queer- and transphobia.

What is going on over there?
Here is the most comprehensive video I have found to explain this phenomena that is occurring in American Higher Education. Video will auto start at 33s mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8qf7anq0g&t=33s
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Dec 2024, 16:06:57

Another video, this time examining the historical roots of the phenomena (which I have entitled Loony Tunes) entitled, Not to be confused with the American social justice entitled which relates to an aspect of "Loony Tunes"

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MURbXaBjjI

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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 25 Dec 2024, 14:23:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Here is the most comprehensive video I have found to explain this phenomena that is occurring in American Higher Education.


"Higher Education" in your lexicon means what.....Australian public education being 13 years in length....you made it through...8? So to you a higher education is that achieved by maybe a 13 year old?

Yeah, I recommend you don't even PRETEND you know much about "higher education" anywhere in the world until you go back to high school and experience at least a year of it of the local yokel variety. Take easy classes on kangaroo riding and stuff...learn to add and subtract...you can do it! Don't let it be said that peakoil.com doesn't support uneducated foreign nationals from mingling with Americano smart folks!
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Dec 2024, 23:33:40

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You're very progressive over there adam

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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Dec 2024, 23:40:45

Australian Beer Ad. No girly boys allowed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1czclq8ztI
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Dec 2024, 23:48:11

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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 28 Dec 2024, 00:47:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')You're very progressive over there adam

Not sure what that means to you and your friends. How "pink" of a "pink" Nazi are you exactly? Because I really don't swing the way you pink Nazis do.
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 28 Dec 2024, 02:58:14

Yes that's your culture Adam. Freaks and imbeciles. Now go have a bud :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Collapse probably won't happen Pt. 3

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 28 Dec 2024, 03:08:24

State Lawmakers Say Drastic Change Needed to Make College Affordable, Worthwhile
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or millions of American college students, things can go from bad to worse in a hurry, as they take on long-term debt to finance higher education and earn a degree that, based on labor market demands, isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/state- ... le-5781452

Well we've already covered that in the video above :lol: :lol: :lol:

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