[Pops]

This site has always been fundamentally about Doom.
From resource scarcity to overpopulation to warming we've shredded it all to the nth.
Currently we are officially in a global pandemic, record stock market rout, almost inevitable global recession simply from the halt to consumption.
So give it a shot, is this IT?

PS: mind your lying normalcy and confirmation biases!

[Pops]

I think it's going to get bad economically for sure. Shutting down many areas of the economy is going to affect lots of working class and small business.
60 million people contracted H1N1 and 100k-500k died in the first year. CDC etc appear to think this is worse.
Neither is a slate-wiper but it's easy to freak to, I'll give it a 5, Buck Up!

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') think it's going to get bad economically for sure. Shutting down many areas of the economy is going to affect lots of working class and small business.
60 million people contracted H1N1 and 100k-500k died in the first year. CDC etc appear to think this is worse.
Neither is a slate-wiper but it's easy to freak to, I'll give it a 5, Buck Up!

[jedrider]

I'm seeing the panic now. Trump may have induced this by his continual prevarications.

It's just a pandemic. Calm down. However, we need rules and our cowboy sensibilities honed by Republicans who have now abandoned us because they were fooling us all along has reduced trust to ZERO. Republicans taught their followers that selfishness was the biggest virtue, but how is that working out now?

Yeah, it's a major setback to all economies. Governments should have been building surpluses to get us through these more difficult times. Have they? You mean the surpluses are in private hands?

Zero interest rates? I don't know that much about economics to comment on that though, whether that's a means to bail us out or it's another give-away? Again, the mistrust surfaces everywheres.

[Pops]

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[asg70]

A crisis, but not doom.

Despite a lack of paper products and disinfectants, there is overall a plethora of food products at the grocery store. The US remains an incredibly prosperous country with more than enough resources to keep us fat and comfortable in our shut-ins.

This is a weird situation but I predict that there will eventually be a byzantine set of measures at all levels of government, educational institutions, as well as acts of charity on the part of business/banking in order to treat this period as a sort of economic suspended animation. Trump is already drafting measures along those lines but I expect this to trickle all the way down to the state and local level. Also, this is a global phenomenon. The virus is everywhere including the most unlikely remote places like Iceland and the Faroe Islands. We're all in the same boat together and so there will be extreme social pressure to cut everyone some slack. But it will be very messy.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his site has always been fundamentally about Doom.
From resource scarcity to overpopulation to warming we've shredded it all to the nth.
Currently we are officially in a global pandemic, record stock market rout, almost inevitable global recession simply from the halt to consumption.
So give it a shot, is this IT?

[Cog]

I suppose the Dems are waiting for federal workers to come by a wipe their noses for them and feed their kids. LOL.

No we aren't doomed. Far from it.

[Newfie]

Not doom, just a shot across the bow. Far worse is to come. Not necessarily for those here but for our kids.

Folks we know will die sooner. But it won’t wipe out 20% of the population or anything like that. Standard of living may go down, but that has its advantages. Taken over a long enough time frame this has a potential to be a net positive.

(He said sittin at a beach bar sucking coffee.)

[SeaGypsy]

Reason I'm back is for the first time in years we can speculate about something that's actually happening, not hypothetical.

I think it's going to be very bad in some ways, good in others. A heck of a lot remains to be seen. I feel most sorry for friends with very little money or food, laid off & locked down in developing countries with no social security & no competent government. Compared to their situation, mine & most here is a veritable Shangri-la.

[Newfie]

Sea,

True. I think it is early to assess the economic implications of this mess. There are a lot of people around the world that rely upon imported food. Shut down those transport links, like the consumer links were shut down to China, and some of those places will become very “uncomfortable.”

But also think about Saudi Arabia. They are in this stupid oil war with Russia (is that still going on???) Oil is plummeting. They are 100% reliant upon imported food. What is their national debt going to look like? Who will be able to afford guest workers? What will happen if SA nationals are told they have to get a job?

Then look at Iran. Will this regime survive this fiasco?

Africa, Ethiopia, Yemmen, etc. North Korea?

And I still wonder about this virus in India. Why is it more or less immune? Or is that all smoke and mirrors?

[Newfie]

Popcorn time.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')“Due to the confirmed case of #COVID19 from community spread, Salt Lake City Police Department is asking all criminal activities/nefarious behavior to cease until further notice,” the Utah capital’s law enforcement wrote in a tweet. “We appreciate your anticipated cooperation in halting crime & thank criminals in advance.”

“We will certainly let you know when you can resume your normal criminal behavior,” quipped the Blaine Police Department in Washington State.

[Pops]

Yeah, surprisingly no votes for "Pass the ammo" tho reports say AmmoRus sales are up biggly.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ot doom, just a shot across the bow. Far worse is to come. Not necessarily for those here but for our kids.

Folks we know will die sooner. But it won’t wipe out 20% of the population or anything like that. Standard of living may go down, but that has its advantages. Taken over a long enough time frame this has a potential to be a net positive.

(He said sittin at a beach bar sucking coffee.)

[Newfie]

Tanada,

Lots of ways this can spin out. And if you look abroad there will be many more. How they all come together and the effect us is anyone’s guess.

Like I mentioned elsewhere it will also help SS and Medicare but may hurt hospital futures. Potentially lots of heavy medical consumers disappearing.

I can’t figure it out, that’s for sure.

[Pops]

Scenario 5) people 15-64 believe they're immune so take little precaution, their infection rate rises and they find that even a lower rate x higher incidence equals many deaths.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or those aged 15 to 44, the fatality rate was 0.5%, though it might have been as low as 0.1% or as high as 1.3%. For people 45 to 64, the fatality rate was also 0.5%, with a possible low of 0.2% and a possible high of 1.1%. For those over 64, it was 2.7%, with a low and high estimate of 1.5% and 4.7%.

[Newfie]

Pops,

I see so many different figures all over the place I find it hard to know what to believe. I saw another article, which I think was also from stat, that out the overall rate at 0.1% (IIRC) based on some extrapolation, normalized to a typical population, based on a cruise ship. That article was implying we are over reacting with the social distancing. Who knows.

Not to say it’s wrong, just that you can find almost any number you want if you dig enough. Rather un-nerving.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ot to say it’s wrong, just that you can find almost any number you want if you dig enough. Rather un-nerving.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Historically speaking when the elderly die off suddenly from a wide spread academic the younger inheritors come out way ahead on the deal.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') suppose the Dems are waiting for federal workers to come by a wipe their noses for them and feed their kids. LOL.

No we aren't doomed. Far from it.