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Unread postby Hawkcreek » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 23:14:57

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Unread postby Jack » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 01:02:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')nd we have the gall to scream about the sanctity of life and human ideals while this goes on?


I was just going over the "gruesome jewelry" thread, and noted happily that I am not guilty of advocating ideals or the sanctity of life. :lol:

Really, how anyone can support the thesis that people hold to some high standard is beyond my understanding.
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Unread postby eric_b » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 01:32:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '[')i]I shot a bird with a BB gun as a boy and felt enormous remorse.

PMS,

Me too. I was about 11 years old. I shot a small bird in the eye. I've never fired a weapon at or intentionally hurt an animal since then. And unless it becomes required for food for my family, or if I see some ferocious dog attacking someone, or maybe to end an animals terminal suffering, I never will.

.... back to the topic... self-defense only.

I will without hesitation use a firearm or other deadly weapon to stop a human threat against another. I have assorted weapons continually ready, as apparently do many (most??) others here.


Got a similiar story. I was about 13, and my brother had recently gotten one
of those pellet guns one can pump. We were along the edge of a marsh in the
early fall and there was a red winged blackbird about 30-50 yards away, roosting on
top of some cattails. I remember my brother trying to tutor me on how to hold
the 'rifle' as I lined the bird up.

I shot, and for a second or two nothing happened. I thought I'd missed. Then the
bird dropped straight to the ground. I felt terrible. It wasn't the thought that I'd killed
it so much, as my worry that I may have injured it and caused it suffering.

After that I had to no desire to shoot at other living things with a gun.

Though I imagine if I were starving I'd probably do so just to eat.

So I'm not going to pretend I'm some kind of killer - though who hasn't contemplated
murder during a fit of rage?
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 01:34:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')nd we have the gall to scream about the sanctity of life and human ideals while this goes on?


I was just going over the "gruesome jewelry" thread, and noted happily that I am not guilty of advocating ideals or the sanctity of life. :lol:

Really, how anyone can support the thesis that people hold to some high standard is beyond my understanding.
Well its a slippery slope to the ovens Jack. Better to advocate ideals and the sanctity of life even if it is a fig leaf.
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Unread postby eric_b » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 01:42:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')hat would I kill for? A trip to Napa Valley, a pair of Guccis with a matching bag and a really good tan. Oh, and I'd kill for a reiki session and relationship advice from my favorite guru. But that's just me-- just spiritual I guess.

Seriously though. I would kill for sport.


Sorry, I couldn't resist. I have trouble killing bugs. When I step on an ant, I wonder how his buddies will manage without him. Really. Partly compassion, partly I have a lot of time on my hands.

I try to be conscious of everything I'm eating, where it comes from, the animal's living conditions, etc... This extends to the working conditions of the labor of merchandise I purchase. --Not a complete purist, it'd be impossible, but am trying.

I'd kill for self defence, and I'd enjoy it, on my behalf, or anyone else who was being threatened, tortured etc... I'd close my eyes that night and actually sleep better than the night before, utterly undisturbed. This doesn't apply to someone stealing my stuff. They can have it.

(...)


I'm not certain I'd be so glib about how you'd feel about killing another person,
even if it was for self-defense. It's one of those things where it's just impossible
to know ahead of time how you'd feel and react after the fact.
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Unread postby threadbear » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 02:01:20

Eric, You're right. Doing it and imagining doing it are two different things. Still, I know I wouldn't be too bent out of shape about the morality of it. If it looked gruesome, though, that would bother me.

Let's put it this way, Eric. Say someone is threatening my life, or trying to kill me, (or some other innocent creature) I would get so much joy, so much satisfaction out of punching them until they were unconscious. It would be positively cathartic. YEEESSS! Do you think this is pathological? Could be. I won't argue with you. :oops:
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 18:40:51

we wait with baited breath for Aarons reply....
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watchv=Ai4te4daLZs&feature=related[/url] "My soul longs for the candle and the spices. If only you would pour me a cup of wine for Havdalah...My heart yearning, I shall lift up my eyes to g-d, who provides for my needs day and night."
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 20:35:05

:?: [smilie=5censored.gif] [smilie=dontknow.gif] [smilie=eusa_think.gif] [smilie=eusa_shhh.gif] [smilie=icon_blackeye.gif] [smilie=icon_rolleyes.gif]

well...I'm gonna sue if I don't get my cracker Jack toy!

Speaking of HANGING on.....

:lol:
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watchv=Ai4te4daLZs&feature=related[/url] "My soul longs for the candle and the spices. If only you would pour me a cup of wine for Havdalah...My heart yearning, I shall lift up my eyes to g-d, who provides for my needs day and night."
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Unread postby Aaron » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 13:25:07

Muhu wha ha ha ha ha

:twisted:

Oh come on... take a shot.

Many of you know my posting style & views...

What the heck do I think about killing?

Oh nevermind...

The gift honors the giver...

The worst part about being a liar... isn't that nobody can trust what you say. (although that's certainly true). It's that you can't trust what anybody else says... they could be lying.

Same goes for killing.

We would mostly agree there are many circumstances where killing is appropriate and even beneficial.

But the real consequences... both good & bad... happen in your own head & heart. The killing itself it just a symptom.

Killing is always a failure in some other system or situation; which up until that point had been successful in preventing the killing.

"I'm a businessman. And blood is a big expense."

And the consequences of killing are shouldered by everyone involved, except the victim. They're done...

You will carry this with you... always.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Unread postby holmes » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 15:18:08

I agree with the killing through proxy. weve been ranting about this for awhile in my neck o the woods. The murders and carnage brought about by the culture of death(exploitative capitalism and socialism) dwarfs the horrible evil "bad guys" killing. And how dare we implement responsible population measures. The horror!
The "book" says fill the earth. Not overfill it! that section of the pop. cant even get a consensus on their own book. upside is down and down is up. really it is. what a mess. we cant even be at peace with nature or ourselves. LOL. and the horror of africa is real. The only way to stop that is to exterminate the warlords and slavers. Not having BONO give more money to the thugs. Help us all.
and what about the consequences of Ecocide?
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Unread postby oowolf » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 18:03:35

"Cars kill a million wild animals a week."
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 18:16:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')illing is always a failure in some other system or situation; which up until that point had been successful in preventing the killing.


Killing can also be a corrective process that rights a listing ship...but it does mean some human/and /or system made poor choices else the ship would not be "listing"
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watchv=Ai4te4daLZs&feature=related[/url] "My soul longs for the candle and the spices. If only you would pour me a cup of wine for Havdalah...My heart yearning, I shall lift up my eyes to g-d, who provides for my needs day and night."
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Unread postby Free » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 22:26:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')"I'm a businessman. And blood is a big expense."


The godfather is great. "It's not personal, it's strictly business."
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Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 22:39:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')illing is always a failure in some other system or situation; which up until that point had been successful in preventing the killing.


Killing can also be a corrective process that rights a listing ship...but it does mean some human/and /or system made poor choices else the ship would not be "listing"


Bingo!

Eradicating disease and not instilling population limits is a prime example.
A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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