[Cog]

The DACA, TPS, more border agents, chemical detection of drugs at ports of entry, and immigration judges, are specifically items that Dems have asked for in the past. Trump is offering to give them those. But he wants the wall. The Democrat position is zero dollars for a wall. How do you negotiate with that? Dems should take the other items on the list and offer him $3 billion and see if he will take that.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he DACA, TPS, more border agents, chemical detection of drugs at ports of entry, and immigration judges, are specifically items that Dems have asked for in the past. Trump is offering to give them those. But he wants the wall. The Democrat position is zero dollars for a wall. How do you negotiate with that? Dems should take the other items on the list and offer him $3 billion and see if he will take that.

[jedrider]

Democrats to rule Democratically:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')emocrats are doing a number of things to decentralize power from leadership and open up the process of legislating.

The rules package is an important statement that shows what issues Democrats are elevating in their first few weeks of the session and how they intend to govern over the next two years. Basically, Democrats are trying to show they will behave much differently than House Republicans have over the past eight years.

[KaiserJeep]

Except that Pelosi and Trump are locked in a power struggle, right now. This one is for the game and all the marbles. Whichever party caves on the Wall loses big in 2020.

So far, I haven't been even inconvenienced by the shutdown. The wife has, she's a CPA and tax preparer, and the IRS and their tax regulation database are offline.

What frosts my butt is that the USCG families are not getting paid. But they still have to perform their missions.

[Cog]

@jedirider

Trump didn't offer them this deal in the hopes that the Dems would take it. He already knew they wouldnt. It's to fix the blame on Dems as open borders advocates who don't care about those 800k laid off workers. Politics is just another form of warfare.

I'm fine with a quarter of the federal government being laid off. Hopefully some will quit. The Ebt riots will just add to the Dems woes.

[Newfie]

I think that’s exactly correct. I don’t think either Trump or Pelosi care much about border security, DACA, or the shut down. This is a personal fight. It’s about power and status.

[Cog]

Like KJ said, I do feel sorry for the active duty Coast guard. They are military and can't quit or collect unemployment like other federal workers can. I would have McConnell float a separate funding bill just for them and dare the Democrats to vote against it.

[Newfie]

It’s happened before under Treasury. I didn’t experience it but knew those that did. It must have been between about 1955 and 1970. When the service was under Treasury. Can’t find anything about it on internet. But it is NOT the first time.

See also this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... f_amp=true

[Cog]

The Democrat argument is that we will discuss border security but only after the government is reopened. Why can't they talk about it now? It's not like the House seems busy. Pelosi was getting ready for a week long junket overseas with other Democrat congressmen. The week before they were chilling out in Puerto Rico.

An offer is on the table. The Dems can make a counter offer. This is how legislation is done in a divided Congress. What's the hold up Nancy?

[Cog]

19 year old 8 month pregnant Honduran on her way to the US border. Getting ready to drop her anchor baby with us so we can care for it.

[KaiserJeep]

I just need to point out a few things.

1) The Wall that has not been built has harmed nobody.

2) Trump completed his budget request as required by law. Nobody has debated it in the House. The Senate willl most likely vote this week.

3) Pelosi's government shutdown is harming a great many people.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')3) Pelosi's government shutdown is harming a great many people.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he Democrat argument is that we will discuss border security but only after the government is reopened. Why can't they talk about it now? It's not like the House seems busy.

[Cog]

I don't care if the shutdown lasts forever. Hopefully the federal workers will quit in mass.

Good job on giving excuses to the Democrats for not attempting to negotiate an end to this.

Sorry your girl lost. She would have got right to this.

Outcast Searcher is so anguished about people getting late paychecks but doesn't give a damn how many citizens are raped and murdered by these illegals. Cause after all, it doesn't affect him now does it? You are such a hypocrite.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') don't care if the shutdown lasts forever. Hopefully the federal workers will quit in mass.

Good job on giving excuses to the Democrats for not attempting to negotiate an end to this.

Sorry your girl lost. She would have got right to this.

Outcast Searcher is so anguished about people getting late paychecks but doesn't give a damn how many citizens are raped and murdered by these illegals. Cause after all, it doesn't affect him now does it? You are such a hypocrite.

[Cog]

I was waiting for the racist throwdown from you. Its so predictable. Is Mexico a race? I El Salvador a race? No numbnuts, its a nationality. But as usual, your leftist ideology can't deal with the fact the USA is being invaded. So pathetic you are.

Oh and sorry your girl lost. Maybe Cortez an avowed communist is more your style.

Here you go outcast. Can she stay at your house? Maybe your wife needs a maid.

[Newfie]

OK guys, cool rhetoric, stay on topic, on point. Refute with logic and reason.

[Cog]

When someone calls me a racist Newfie, I'm not going to let that slide.

[Plantagenet]

I've got some logic and reason to bring to this topic. OK...here goes!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')It's time to get government back to functioning, stop wasting money, and for both sides to act like adults....Trump.....

[Cog]

This whole idea that you don't want millions of illegals in your country makes you a racist is something that the left pushes all the time. If you have a country, you are entitled to make the case that there should be a system in place to allow them in legally through a process. I don't give a damn if they are brown, yellow, white, or purple. You are here legally or you are not.

People who throw out the racist argument when it comes to people here illegally are the worse sort of hyprocrite. They have lost the argument and resort to name calling.

I thought better of you Outcast Searcher. I thought you could make a logical argument but instead you resort to the gutter. I'm actually sad you turned out to be what I thought you were not.