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Unread postby spot5050 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 21:11:03

A quick copy/paste from the top of this forum...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doomers', 'W')hy are oil futures so low?
Why won't the increasing price of oil self-regulate the mark
When Did/Will We Reach Peak Oil?
Why has our gov't chosen the path that it's on?
A Question of efficiency?
What are we going to do?
Anyone know how heavily our water system relies on oil?

The latest bunch of doomers join PO.com. Welcome.

BTW, you are the most prosperous humans to walk this planet.
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Unread postby Pablo2079 » Fri 15 Jul 2005, 15:34:13

Walk?
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Unread postby Vexed » Fri 15 Jul 2005, 20:41:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')TW, you are the most prosperous humans to walk this planet.


Does that make us the most lucky or the most guilty?
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Fri 15 Jul 2005, 20:54:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')TW, you are the most prosperous humans to walk this planet.


Does that make us the most lucky or the most guilty?


The most fortunate. Don't waste time with useless emotions such as guilt.

History placed us where we are. A different path would have put some one else on top of the heap, but there will always be a heap and there will
always be someone at the top.
"Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
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"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock
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Unread postby Vexed » Wed 20 Jul 2005, 15:22:48

As someone who has "made it to the top the heap" by caring about others, I find your comments ridiculous and nonchalant.

You can boil everything down to a Darwinian perspective if you want; but, in most people's lives, it is teamwork, compassion, and trust, that brings out the best in them, as well as those around them.

Perhaps I am putting words into your mouth, but I feel your post says: Its me against the rest of the world. And isn't that the attitude that has America in such dire straights with the rest of the planet right now?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he most fortunate. Don't waste time with useless emotions such as guilt.


Mentally preparing yourself for a die-off are we?
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Wed 20 Jul 2005, 16:14:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', 'A')s someone who has "made it to the top the heap" by caring about others, I find your comments ridiculous and nonchalant.

You can boil everything down to a Darwinian perspective if you want; but, in most people's lives, it is teamwork, compassion, and trust, that brings out the best in them, as well as those around them.

Perhaps I am putting words into your mouth, but I feel your post says: Its me against the rest of the world. And isn't that the attitude that has America in such dire straights with the rest of the planet right now?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he most fortunate. Don't waste time with useless emotions such as guilt.


Mentally preparing yourself for a die-off are we?


Yes, I am. It's going to happen. It took me some time to come to terms with the idea. I rejected it, I denied it, I negotiated with it. It seems inevitable given the facts and the history of man.

So my comments are not nonchalant or shallow or ridiculous nor was my belief easily derived. Through good fortune (we found an entirely new hemisphere to expand into) and some very clever inventiveness Western Civilization came out on top of the world at this period in history; there's no guilt in that and certainly I don't feel responsible for fact that we made so many correct decisions and others did not.

My wife, who is also a "care giver", accepted the idea of a massive die off of the human population much more readily than I.

"dire straights"
As far as I know that's a band not a situation the USA faces in the world.
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Unread postby highboom » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 12:05:06

ok we've accepted the fact that this will happen, that we're all going to die

so what are we going to do about it? granted i haven't explored all the forums yet so this might be posted somewhere else, but everyone seems to be running for their bomb shelters, when the real question is what are we going to do about it to make the situation better for everyone?
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Unread postby Golgo13 » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 20:56:25

You don't make the situation better for everyone, you make it better for you and yours.
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