[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('baha', 'O')f course it's not perpetual motion. Dude

It's a human designed mechanical system that produces more power than it uses. More commonly known as a powerplant. I didn't write the stupid article and you latched onto one word and quit reading without grokking the concept.

There is nothing an ICE motor can do that an electric motor cannot do better...The source of easily stored power is the only advantage it has. And that source is waning.

[SeaGypsy]

Part of the issue too is outright lies, such as in Baha's link. LENR, water engines, over unity blah blah flipping blah, the internet is overflowing with fools & foolers. Let's not join them, shall we please?

[eugene]

We live in an age of thought solutions. If I can think it, it can be done. Thought solutions disappear when the reality of application arrives. Thought solutions only exist from people who are comfortable, safe, secure and over a cup of coffee or debates on web sites.
All can rest assured our transition to a world of ever increasing energy sources will be simple, cost free and a very happy one.

[asg70]

The moderate viewpoint is that of the hype cycle. While ideas are often overly touted, the good ones eventually enter into the plateau of productivity.

https://www.gartner.com/binaries/conten ... 2af41954e0

To doomers, all ideas just go down the trough and never enter the plateau.

There rally is a profound lack of reflection and revision within the doomer mindset. It's just all pessimism all the time. I wouldn't expect any different, and yet it's the flipside of the cornyism they so decry. So you'd think if they're gonna get all arrogant that they know the score and cornies don't that they'd fully explore every option rather than just knee-jerk strike a pessimistic tone each and every time, but no.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'T')he moderate viewpoint is that of the hype cycle. While ideas are often overly touted, the good ones eventually enter into the plateau of productivity.

https://www.gartner.com/binaries/conten ... 2af41954e0

To doomers, all ideas just go down the trough and never enter the plateau.

There rally is a profound lack of reflection and revision within the doomer mindset. It's just all pessimism all the time. I wouldn't expect any different, and yet it's the flipside of the cornyism they so decry. So you'd think if they're gonna get all arrogant that they know the score and cornies don't that they'd fully explore every option rather than just knee-jerk strike a pessimistic tone each and every time, but no.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')Gosh, asg, if you are so secure in your assessments of things and your version of the future,, why do you spend do much time, day after day, trying to fix doomers?

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')Gosh, asg, if you are so secure in your assessments of things and your version of the future,, why do you spend do much time, day after day, trying to fix doomers?

[asg70]

GHung, I think this discussion group is largely an empty time-waster regardless of whether there's sniping or bobbleheading going on.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('baha', 'O')f course it's not perpetual motion. Dude

It's a human designed mechanical system that produces more power than it uses.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')That 70 percent figure is only true today because diesel fuel is cheap and plentiful today. When supply and prices change the economics of mining will change right along with it. Electric powered conveyor belts set up in series can transport material the same distance heavy mine trucks can without using a drop of diesel.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('baha', 'D')id you'all forget about this?

https://im-mining.com/2017/06/28/e-dump ... itzerland/

A mining truck that is not only electric but produces power. The only limit is your imagination.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('baha', 'O')f course it's not perpetual motion. Dude

It's a human designed mechanical system that produces more power than it uses. More commonly known as a powerplant. I didn't write the stupid article and you latched onto one word and quit reading without grokking the concept.

There is nothing an ICE motor can do that an electric motor cannot do better...The source of easily stored power is the only advantage it has. And that source is waning.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('baha', 'Y')ou're right Sub,
That mine in Norway is a special case. But that doesn't change the fact that a mining truck could be electric. You just have to fuel it.

Take a pit mining operation with a big pole in the middle and extension cords going to each truck while they go round and round. Power it with one central diesel generator that runs at a constant RPM. I bet that would be twice as efficient as a diesel engine in each truck (even with wire loss).

This is another argument I get tired of. 'You can't operate this or that with electric motors'. This is totally off track...the issue is energy, not the motor. If batteries are ever more energy dense than gas the ICE will be instantly obsolete. And I'm thinking the threshold is more like 1/4 as dense. Electric motors are sweet...

[SeaGypsy]

Na, it's about gearing & clutching, horses for courses.

[SeaGypsy]

In order to run an electric driven high load lift, a flywheel & clutch is the simplest solution to avoid stopped motor burnout.

That truck article is bullshit as i already said. The load is not the fuel & is irrelevant. The claim is to generate more power than it consumes, from gravity. Just lies.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')n order to run an electric driven high load lift, a flywheel & clutch is the simplest solution to avoid stopped motor burnout.

That truck article is bullshit as i already said. The load is not the fuel & is irrelevant. The claim is to generate more power than it consumes, from gravity. Just lies.