[maverickdoc]

depends on your perspective. If you can afford to hoard or not

[alpha480v]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'S')o is investing in one's future hoarding?

If I choose to buy a 2 year supply of food for my family and then use that food for my family does that make me the scum of the earth or someone who is prudent?

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'I')f I choose to buy a 2 year supply of food for my family and then use that food for my family does that make me the scum of the earth or someone who is prudent?

[Jack]

Hoarders are bad? So, does that mean it's better to compete for limited supplies with everyone else, thus putting more stress on an already overburdened system?

If I purchase a case of MRE's, am I a hoarder? That's just 12 meals. Or, if I buy a pallet-load - 48 cases, as I recall - does that make me a hoarder? Or do I need a truckload of 40 pallets to make the cut?

I find it amazing how many draconian laws and regulations are being proposed on this board. I begin to think we're going to see tyranny by popular demand.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I') find it amazing how many draconian laws and regulations are being proposed on this board.

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

Hoarding is bad if you are taking more than what satisfies your needs.

I can't afford to hoard anyway. I live in a family of five. Nearly all of my aunts, uncles, cousins, gradnmas, grandpa, our friends live in the area as well. What am I supposed to say? "No, these are my peaches. Go eat some dandelions."

[boilingleadbath]

I'm assuming that by "hoarder" you mean one who stashes when the crash is on. If so, I agree that they'r trouble, but they might distract the populance from the 'preparers'...

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I') find it amazing how many draconian laws and regulations are being proposed on this board.

[TrueKaiser]

hoarders are just setting them selfs up to be target number one when the shtf. i hope you stocked up on enough ammo to kill your neighborhood, your gonna need it.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'S')o is investing in one's future hoarding?

If I choose to buy a 2 year supply of food for my family and then use that food for my family does that make me the scum of the earth or someone who is prudent?

[Kez]

I was thinking that in the future, when gasoline shortages begin again, that there will be long lines for a few weeks at the gas stations until everyone carpools and cuts back.
With that in mind, is there any simple, cheap way to store 15-20 gallons in my garage? That would be just enough to avoid 2-3 weeks of mayhem, nothing more, but it might be worth it.

Is it hard or expensive to store it in one container, or should I just get a few small containers? Does it smell strongly? Does it evaporate? Or is this just a dumb idea altogether, trying to store extra gas?
Thanks in advance.

[gnm]

In general storing gsoline is a bad idea - diesel keeps longer but may not be useful to you. Gasoline degrades farly rapidly (diesel keeps longer but is also subject to fungus and water problems). But if you really want to then I would recommend getting quality commercial 5 gallon containers and finding a cool dark place for them (dry also) and then adding gas preservative. You shuold be prepared to rotate the contents out (fill your car from em) every 6 months to 1 year or so..

-G

[Pops]

You can store gas for a little while but be careful! Better to keep it outside away from the house – a garden shed maybe?
There are additives to make it keep longer but they are pretty expensive, I use them in the generator so it’s always ready – better to just pour it in the tanks and fill them up every month or two probably.

[Pops]

IOW - what gnm said!

[gnm]

Gnm thinks hes going to be real clever and have a buffer of gasoline for spendy times... (note this was 3 years ago or so) - Anyways I get a 50 gallon drum and place it under the eve of a shed on the shady side. Its got gasketed metal bungs and seems like it will work well. IT is made for storing fuel. Anyways I use a 15gal poly container to haul the fuel (get some strange looks filling that up but people do use em for boating ) - use a fuel transfer pump, add some preservative and set up rotation schedule...
"monsoon" season comes... alternate 90+ temps and rain in the evening/night....
Did you know that the expansion during the day on a tank like that will cause a corresponding vacum when it gets rain spray on it? And that it will suck in any small amount of moisture around the bung?

<fast forward to rotation schedule for fuel 6 months later>
Did you know that its possible to run 1 gallon of water though a subaru engine without damage? - You have to continue to replace the filter 6 times or so after the inital bleed off of water (when you can get it to fire again) and keep adding fuel drying agent for months...
Next time that sucker is going to be way out of reach of water.....
If there is a next time...
Maybe it wasn't such a good idea after all....
-G

[frankthetank]

I bet gasoline would store better over the cooler months (fall-spring)...???

They sell boat gas tanks that might work well...???

[strider3700]

I store fuel in my bike each winter for 6 months. All I do is add the additives. I'm also starting with the 94 octane gas though so it may degrade better and still be an 87 when I first start it up. It's crappy compaired to fresh gas but it does run ok.
For my emergency 10 gallons I have 2 plastic 5 gallon containers that I'm cycling though. The plan is to fill the truck up with them every month or so and then refill the containers. If I expand the supply it would only be to 20 gallons and the truck takes 15 so by monthly swapping should be fine.
Keep the gas in a cool dry place where possible fumes won't build up.

[jdmartin]

The fuel stabilizer isn't bad at all to buy - I just bought a new container for 6 bucks yesterday. Each ounce treats 2.5 gallons of gas, and it's an 8 ounce container, so you can treat 20 gallons for 6 bucks (this includes sales tax). That works out to about 30 cents a gallon. If you're only talking about storing 20 or 30 gallons not bad at all. I don't think this would work long-term; I use this stuff so that I can keep the mower, weedeater, chainsaw, etc filled over the winter and not have to drain them. It works great over the winter but I always burn up the gas by the next year so...

[papalegba]

My system is about exactly what jdmartin's is. Seems to work okay for storing gas for a limited period.
I wonder about the storage properties of kerosene, which I keep around for lamps, and ethanol, which we, er, make locally.

[oowolf]

The gas now sold, around here anyway, is utter crap. Gas I bought in March is already incapable of running a lawnmower. I thought it might have gotten contaminated but I talked with a friend who is a faller (professional tree killer) and he told me all the loggers are bitching about how the shitty fuel is wrecking their $1200 saws.
Even with stabilizer I doubt the crud they're selling now will last more than 6 months in storage. That's why I'm tilling-up as much garden soil as I can before the $100/barrel "oil shock" hits this winter.