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The film Twelve Monkeys really about peak oil?

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The film Twelve Monkeys really about peak oil?

Unread postby DrColossus » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 21:20:03

I just watched Twelve Monkeys for the first time in ages, its such a classic.
Being peak oil aware now, the plot struck me as very similar to the worst case scenarios of peak oil, die offs etc, and the fact that Bruce Willis' character is trying to warn people and they think he is crazy.
The psychiatrist character is even called Miss Simmons at the end, spooky.
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 21:36:55

A great movie with great attention to detail and symbolism. Explored the nature of sanity as well as told an entertaining story.

I don't recall any reference to a Miss Simmons, however.
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Unread postby DrColossus » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 22:12:23

You would expect nothing less from Terry Gilliam.

At the end in the airport, Kathryn Railly is getting the tickets for Key West and the checkin woman says "Here are your tickets Miss Simmons".
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 22:22:09

Right, her assumed name for traveling. That's when she bumped into Dr. Peters and made the connection that he was the source of the virus.

Anyway a great movie that didn't get enough play. I think I've watched it two dozen times since it came out. Both Willis and Pitt were great in their respective roles.
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Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:11:37

I was just thinking of watching this again today for the same reasons. Absolutely one of my favorite films from my favorite director, and a brilliant adaptation of the original short, La Jetee. I remember walking out of the theater after seeing it with my brother, and both of us not saying a word for minutes afterward.

Many relevant quotable lines:

"There's the television. It's all right there - all right there. Look, listen, kneel, pray. Commercials! We're not productive anymore. We don't make things anymore. It's all automated. What are we *for* then? We're consumers, Jim. Yeah. Okay, okay. Buy a lot of stuff, you're a good citizen. But if you don't buy a lot of stuff, if you don't, what are you then, I ask you? What? Mentally *ill*. Fact, Jim, fact - if you don't buy things - toilet paper, new cars, computerized yo-yos, electrically-operated sexual devices, servo systems with brain-implanted headphones, screwdrivers with miniature built-in radar devices, voice-activated computers..."

"Surely there's very real and very convincing data that the planet cannot survive the excesses of the human race. Proliferation of atomic devices, uncontrolled breeding habits, pollution of land, sea and air; the rape of the environment... In this context, isn't it obvious that Chicken Little represents the sane vision, and that homo sapiens motto 'Let's go shopping!' is the cry of the true lunatic?"

and especially:

"Cassandra in Greek legend, you recall, was condemned to know the future but to be disbelieved when she foretold it. Hence the agony of foreknowledge combined with the impotence to do anything about it."
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