[ralfy]

Related:

"The Consumer Economy and Mass Entertainment"

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_t ... &psid=3396

Started in the 1920s, and involved more than just zoning and cars.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'R')elated:

"The Consumer Economy and Mass Entertainment"

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_t ... &psid=3396

Started in the 1920s, and involved more than just zoning and cars.

[Cog]

Zoning keeps you from building a cement plant next to me or running a salvage yard next to my suburban home. It serves a useful function just like the guy from the city who fines you for having your broken down car on jack stands. Go be poor somewhere else.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Z')oning keeps you from building a cement plant next to me or running a salvage yard next to my suburban home. It serves a useful function just like the guy from the city who fines you for having your broken down car on jack stands. Go be poor somewhere else.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Z')oning keeps you from building a cement plant next to me or running a salvage yard next to my suburban home. It serves a useful function just like the guy from the city who fines you for having your broken down car on jack stands. Go be poor somewhere else.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Z')oning keeps you from building a cement plant next to me or running a salvage yard next to my suburban home. It serves a useful function just like the guy from the city who fines you for having your broken down car on jack stands. Go be poor somewhere else.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Z')oning keeps you from building a cement plant next to me or running a salvage yard next to my suburban home. It serves a useful function just like the guy from the city who fines you for having your broken down car on jack stands. Go be poor somewhere else.

[vtsnowedin]

1950's style zoning had just three purposes. They were 1. development , 2. development and 3, DEVELOPMENT!!!
Most zoning boards had chairmen that were the largest real estate broker in the town, and the vice chair was the owner of the largest construction company in town. Other seats might be held by smaller contractors , plumbers, electricians , or large land owners etc.
Some actually did good work building industrial parks where rail, highways, electricity , water and sewer could all be brought together so a string of factories could be built along a relatively short loop of infrastructure that provided jobs for several hundred workers.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Yes ,more then just the automobile, but without the wages from the assembly lines people would not have had the disposable income to consume with.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', 'T')he main purpose of zoning is really to keep poor people out of rich or middle class neighbourhoods. The secondary purpose is to make sure people with cars always have a place to park. Somewhere in a distant third is the desire to make the city a better place -- regulatory capture I guess. How else can you really explain why a bar needs so much parking in many places given it is pretty much illegal to enjoy yourself in one of those places then get in your car and drive away? What ever happened to that famous desire to protect property rights -- the right to build on your own land -- that is supposedly a cornerstone of western rights?

[DesuMaiden]

Actually the collapse of industrial civilization can occur over a relatively short period of time of perhaps 5 to 10 years. Once certain triggers have been activated, collapse becomes inevitable. I chose the second opinion "Internet shuts down become of grid blackouts" because once there is a large enough gap in supply and demand of petroleum, vehicles running on internal combustion engines (I.e. Trucks, cars, boats, buses) will no longer have enough fuel to power our daily economic activities such as food production/distribution, industry, business and most importantly the production of electricity. While global electricity production isn't directly produced by petroleum, without sufficient supplies of petroleum our primarily sources of electrical power: coal, natural gas and nuclear fission will eventually disintegrate and stop functioning entirely. And without electricity, all telecommunication systems (including the Internet) become useless.

[Revi]

Back to the topic, the end of the Peakoil.com website. I hope it doesn't go away. This is a great place to talk to people who know something about what's going on. It seems to be the opposite of "fake news" to me. Anyone else feel that way?

[asg70]

A big problem with the website, which has always been the case, is that there's nobody running it that has any cult-of-personality. The remaining doomer holdouts are all spearheaded by a strong figure. Heinberg has Post-Carbon Institute. Gail has OurFiniteWorld. Greer, Orlov, Kunstler, they all have their blogs where they can issue their topical rants and manifestos which attracts like-minded bobblehead commenters like honey.

This site only has the domain name. It is not the locus of discussion due to this lack of a strong central figure.

I think that's why B Hill and his ETP has effectively hijacked the website. The one thing ETP has going for it is zealotry.

It's just natural for discussions to wind up centralizing around the loudest voices. It doesn't mean what these voices are saying is in any way "the truth", mind you. It's just that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'A') big problem with the website, which has always been the case, is that there's nobody running it that has any cult-of-personality. The remaining doomer holdouts are all spearheaded by a strong figure. Heinberg has Post-Carbon Institute. Gail has OurFiniteWorld. Greer, Orlov, Kunstler, they all have their blogs where they can issue their topical rants and manifestos which attracts like-minded bobblehead commenters like honey. This site only has the domain name. It is not the locus of discussion due to this lack of a strong central figure.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'B')ack to the topic, the end of the Peakoil.com website. I hope it doesn't go away. This is a great place to talk to people who know something about what's going on. It seems to be the opposite of "fake news" to me. Anyone else feel that way?

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Bennie Hill and ETP have not hijacked this website. Sure, they've got their ETP thread (or is it up to 4 or 5 ETP threads now) but thats just a tiny fraction of the threads and discussions going on at this site.

Anyway, who in their right mind takes Bennie Hill et alia seriously?