[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kub', 'R')ockman does not agree with your position that the rate of oil accumulation is high enough to offset our extraction rates. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockman', 'I')n none of the MILLIONS of wells drilled in the last hundred years has a single oil reservoir been shown to have accumulated any more recent then a few million years.

[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut it doesn't matter if oil (abiotic or biotic) is accumulating quickly or not. As explained above we still have to find it.

[ROCKMAN]

"But for the whole Earth's surface?" The vast majority of the "earth's surface" lacks reservoir rocks capable of accumulating and producing oil. Which brings up an interesting point: geologists that work in that area estimate that probably 98%+ of the oil ever generated (regardless of how it was created) has leaked to the surface because it wasn't caught in trapping positions. Heck, search "deep sea oil seeps" and one can see videos oil/NG naturally seeping from the sea floor. In fact the tens of billions of bbls of the Alberta oil sands represent such an onshore seep. Once oil (regardless of how it was created) gets that shallow biological activity degrades it. And thus you can end up with crappy hydrocarbon accumulations.

[peakoilwhen]

"the vast majority of the "earth's surface" lacks reservoir rocks capable of accumulating and producing oil."

that's old school thinking. It went out the window when the Russians got oil out of deep igneous. There is potential for many more and larger trapping formations in deep igneous than sedimentary. Hence Russians having the best wells in the world with their deep igneous.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Yes, 2005 was peak conventional oil. Without the other junky stuff. You know . . . corn liquor et al (see above)

[ROCKMAN]

"Hence Russians having the best wells in the world with their deep igneous." Obviously not true since you don't post the link supporting it. BTW there was a shallow oil field in CA producing from a granite over 40 years ago. Not a new idea at all. And as I said above whether that oil is abiotic or not wasn't important: finding it where it wasn't expected by many was important.

And it was found...almost half a century ago.

[ROCKMAN]

POW - Careful, buddy, you may be on the verge of proving an old adage: Ignorance can be a problem but a little bit of knowledge can be deadly. LOL.

But keep plugging at it. All views are welcome here. Even Adam's.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peakoilwhen', '&')gt;says conventional peak is 2005
>posts graph saying conventional peak is 2011

seems legit reasoning.
You haven't changed pstarr

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yoshua', 'C')onventional crude oil peaked in 2005 and has been on a plateau since then plus minus 4 percent.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peakoilwhen', '
')Choose a high priest, be it RockDoc or Matt Simmons, or whoever. But don't look at the evidence, because then you'll learn to think for yourself.

[shortonoil]

"New annual record supply set : 96.9 Mb/d ave - 2016, previous record 96.6 Mb/d ave 2015
New quarterly record supply set : 97.9 Md/d ave - 2016, previous record 97.4 Mb/d ave 2015"

It a good thing that production has gone up. US refinery yields have gone down 32% since 2005. Now if they can add about another 2mb/d to that record they can make up for what is going up the stack at the refineries. We might see some growth in the economy. They lost 1.2 mb/d from declining yields in 2016.

Yup, no peak around here??

Refinery and Blender Net Input
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_inp ... mbbl_m.htm

Refinery Net Production
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_ref ... mbbl_m.htm

click to enlarge
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[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou say yourself, the Russians drill deeply into igneous rock and get the world's greatest oil supply. Deep igneous has been ignored by the west thruout all oil history. Once the shale frack boom is over, you've got the far greater reserve of deep igneous.

The people at the top of the oil cartel don't like to point everyone to these great sources of oil. You are given drills, techniques, budgets and instructions to only extract only from a subset of geologic formations. Hence a stigma sets into the industry that all the places have been explored, and oil will soon run out. Sure, all the places in the narrow range dictated by the oil cartel. It fooled rockdoc. But then they 'discover' oil in a new set of formations, or a new technique, or a new tool, or the available budget jumps up which undermines the stigma of 'oil only found in x formations', but sets a new one, with a slightly greater range.

I think that's why Rockefeller is going after the Russians. They are breaking the rules by drilling deep into igneous formation. That can't be allowed to become a standard, else every country will do the same, become rich in oil, and Rockefeller and pals will lose their grip on the world oil economy.

[Synapsid]

peakoilwhen,

What is the evidence for asphalt or other hydrocarbons in the images of the Martian surface?

[shortonoil]

"What is the evidence for asphalt or other hydrocarbons in the images of the Martian surface?"

Even if it is there it won't do us any good, our trade relations with the Martians ended on a bad note! Viking hit someone's out house. It was occupied at the time. They're not selling us nothing. Period!

[peakoilwhen]

Hi rockdoc. What happened to your 2013-2015 peak prediction? When do you think peak oil is? Where's the new sources of oil in the next 20 years to keep the world oil supply increasing year on year, every year?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;The suggestion that oil in basement rocks in Russia proves an abiotic origin has been shown years ago to be basically ridiculous. The basement traps are formed by uplift and faulting exposing large areas of igneous and metamorphic rocks subaerially where they were fractured and partially weathered. Those rocks were then submerged and fine organic clastics were deposited over and around them. After millenia of additional deposition and burial the fine organic clastic rocks that surrounded the uplifted basement generated hydrocarbons which migrated into the diagenetically created porosity in basement rocks."

[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Synapsid', 'p')eakoilwhen,

What is the evidence for asphalt or other hydrocarbons in the images of the Martian surface?

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
')It a good thing that production has gone up.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')He never drags up Deffeyes.

[Zarquon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Synapsid', 'p')eakoilwhen,

What is the evidence for asphalt or other hydrocarbons in the images of the Martian surface?