[peeker01]

Senator Bernie Sanders hopping mad over the price of crude.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/202084/ ... -autos.htm

[Outcast_Searcher]

And here I thought Michelle Bachmann had said the stupidist thing possible related to not liking crude oil (or related) prices when she recently declared (offering NO specifics of course) that as President she would reduce the price of gasoline below $2.00.

Congratulations Bernie -- you managed to roughly tie for first.

I'd like to see some of these politicians actually produce a barrel of oil, or run a company that produces some oil -- you know, actually learn something substantive about the industry -- BEFORE they stick their giant tin hats in their mouths.

Of course, the TV MSM left wing media like MSNBC, PBS, "Your Money" on CNN (this show clearly leans left -- fine -- they just should admit it), etc. all had great fun at how stupid Bachmann's comment was.

Somehow, I don't expect Bernie to get NEARLY the same level of attention on such channels. Yeah -- get ANGRY Bernie. THAT will have a meaningful and lasting impact on the global price of crude oil.

[vtsnowedin]

As a resident of Vermont I have been putting up with Bernie Sanders for a long time so perhaps I can give the rest of you some insight. First of all the term "It's an outrage" is one of Bernie's favorite terms and he uses it as often as normal people use commas.
Second he is as close to a honest politician you can find because he never switches sides or tells you he is on your side when he is not. He has always been in left field near the foul line and declaring that this is where it is at and all of you should join me here solidly in left field.
He is totally blind to the inability of the government to competently conduct a program that does more good for the recipients then it does harm to the tax payers that have to pay for it.
He may have a point that the stock market and commodities futures markets along with derivatives and credit default swaps have become a casino where big players place bets where they reap the winnings and we the holders of retirement accounts must absorb all the losses.
But his proposed remedies will be much worse then the disease.

[dohboi]

"stock market and commodities futures markets along with derivatives and credit default swaps have become a casino where big players place bets where they reap the winnings and we the holders of retirement accounts must absorb all the losses."

Yep, he's certainly right there. And it is indeed and outrage. The smartest people on the left (and a few on the right) are very good at articulating the problem. Their solutions, though, often do seem even worse than the problem.

[Cog]

More on the gun control front from Hilary. According to her, guns are being imported from Vermont into New York. I seem to recall not long ago that Bloomberg was blaming Virginia and Georgia for these guns. Which leads me to a couple of question. Is Vermont exporting their criminals into New York as well? Why isn't there massive gun violence in Vermont, where guns are freely available?

I don't suppose it has ever occurred to any of these gun grabbers that maybe, just maybe, they don't have a gun problem but a people problem. If only there was some organization could identify what demographic that is committing these senseless crimes. Oh wait there is. Its called the FBI crime statistics.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-d ... ent-crime/

http://www.wcax.com/story/31650376/clin ... ns-from-vt

MONTPELIER, Vt. -
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has stepped up her attacks on Bernie Sanders when it comes to guns, and she says Vermont is part of the problem.

According to Politico, Clinton on Monday told a private gathering of New York lawmakers that statistics are coming out soon that show many of the guns used by New York criminals come across the border from Vermont.

Clinton has been going after Sanders' record on gun control in states with major urban populations.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'W')hich leads me to a couple of question. Is Vermont exporting their criminals into New York as well? Why isn't there massive gun violence in Vermont, where guns are freely available?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')My sense from his explanations is that actually he saw the logical problem in those votes. We're talking about suing gun factories, for gun violence. I don't know the full legal thing on this, somebody jump in if they do, but I think I read it's about gun manufacturers that "knowingly" sell guns to stores in high crime big cities.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')My sense from his explanations is that actually he saw the logical problem in those votes. We're talking about suing gun factories, for gun violence. I don't know the full legal thing on this, somebody jump in if they do, but I think I read it's about gun manufacturers that "knowingly" sell guns to stores in high crime big cities.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'U')nder the "strong" legal theory, no doubt, that it's difficult or impossible to, say, buy a gun in a low crime area 20ish miles away, and transport it to a high crime area.

Liberal fantasies aside, I'm with you on the McDonald's fries from potatoes example, it's hard to take such lawsuits seriously.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'Y')ears back Strum Ruger paid out millions to people who dropped fully loaded revolvers on the hammer and shot themselves. Safe practice had always been to carry a revolver with the hammer down on an empty chamber but the owners could not be held to the responsibility of using safe practices.

[Sixstrings]

Long story short on the gun stuff -- I don't have guns, I actually don't like them, but it's the principle is the thing. ( ) Legislation and regulation really should be done in the legislature, and not from the bench, to this extent.

If they want less oil drilling, then regulate it the right way -- don't just start "suing the oil companies for climate change."

If they want less guns manufactured, or they don't want guns sold to certain people or certain areas, *then pass a regulation*. A very generalized tort law though, really isn't right. It's kind of like the restaurant example, allowing them to be sued because customers eat too much and get fat -- it's extending liability out TOO FAR, that's the problematic legal principle, in my opinion.

Clinton and MSNBC ought to be specific about specific regulations, but not just saying "we need to sue the gun companies" and they literally don't say anything other than that.

As a voter, I don't even know what they are talking about, it's just Clinton saying "Bernie Sanders won't let us sue the gun companies." And she gives no other detail besides that, and msnbc anchors and panelists don't either.

So I'm just confused, is this something everyone else knows the details on, but I don't?

Well anyhow, moving on, Bernie won Wyoming:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ernie Sanders Wins Wyoming Democratic Caucuses

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/us/politics/wyoming-colorado-voting-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-ted-cruz-donald-trump.html

[Sixstrings]

Some more on the gun issue debate, between Clinton and Sanders:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ERNIE SANDERS FACES MOUNTING CRITICISM ON GUNS

The former secretary of state especially has highlighted his previous support for the 2005 law, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). The measure prevents gun-violence victims from taking legal action against firearms distributors whose weapons are used in fatal shootings and other crimes.

On the defensive, the Vermont senator has leaned on his rural ties and goal to help mom-and-pop gun shops from facing legal action. He brags about his weak D-minus rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA), which he argues makes him an enemy to the gun industry. He even has vowed to co-sponsor a bill with congressional Democrats that seeks to void PLCAA, which he voted for when he served in the House.
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-comments-gun-manufacturers-sandy-hook-lawsuit-444688

[Cog]

Don't try to ascribe logic to the left when it comes to guns. You will sleep better at night and your blood pressure will be considerably lower.


Gun manufactures can already be sued if their gun has a material defect which causes harm to the shooter. This harm can be financial or physical. What is not allowed under current law, it the ability to sue manufactures over the action of a third party.

This is just another attempt by the left to create liability out of thin air in order to make guns so expensive that the common man could never have one to protect himself. The function of a gun is to poke holes in things. As long as the manufacturer creates a gun that does this, in a reliable and safe manner for the shooter, he has fulfilled his obligation.

[Subjectivist]

Bernie won again yesterday. Hillary doesn't seem popular outside of her core east coast/southern strategy.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'B')ernie won again yesterday. Hillary doesn't seem popular outside of her core east coast/southern strategy.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'B')ernie would need to win a state like New York to prove that the tide is turning his way, but current polls put him 18 points off, despite him being from NY and Hillary a carpet-bagger.

[vtsnowedin]

Yes Bernie won again in Wyoming 55.7 to 44.3 but Hilary split the pledged delegates with him 7 to 7 and kept the 4 super delegates she had already bought off in January so comes out ahead 11 to 7. A very democratic process the democrats have there don't you think.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'Y')es Bernie won again in Wyoming 55.7 to 44.3 but Hilary split the pledged delegates with him 7 to 7 and kept the 4 super delegates she had already bought off in January so comes out ahead 11 to 7. A very democratic process the democrats have there don't you think.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'Y')es Bernie won again in Wyoming 55.7 to 44.3 but Hilary split the pledged delegates with him 7 to 7 and kept the 4 super delegates she had already bought off in January so comes out ahead 11 to 7. A very democratic process the democrats have there don't you think.

[Sixstrings]

I saw this on CNN, it's spun like Clinton is so far ahead in new york, "leads him by double digits:"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew York poll: Clinton tops Sanders by double-digits
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll-new-york/index.html