[dohboi]

Nice point, PS.

And sorry, KJ, I should have said "could be facing criminal charges"

At least those are the words of the Michigan Attorney General's Office.

"Michigan Attorney General’s Office has announced top officials, including Governor Rick Snyder, could face criminal charges, including manslaughter."

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/17/t ... isoning_of

Still doesn't sound exactly like a white knight to me.

Whether or when he got elected has no bearing on the issue. All sorts of villains do get elected on more than one occasion. But perhaps that fact escaped your attention. If so, you must have had either a brief or and oblivious life thus far!

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')Rick Snyder was just sworn in for his second and last term in 2015, is still in office, will be in office for years to come, and hasn't even been charged with anything anywhere, much less convicted. Since he is term limited by Michigan law, expect his second term to be even more controversial going forward, as he cleans up the nasty messes left all over the state by Democrats. Flint is just the warm-up for Detroit, after all.

[dohboi]

These little folks seem to have a clearer understanding of the situation than many of the posters here



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or several years, Flint had been operating the water utility primarily as a financial entity, rather than a public health utility.

The situation there shows the consequences of "trying to run a utility like a business focused on the bottom line, instead of a public service for a public good," said Grant.

[Satori]

Adding insult to injury in Flint: Lead-poisoned residents paid highest water rates in nation

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/ ... -in-nation

"A report released by Food & Water Watch on Tuesday confirmed what many residents had long suspected: that their water bills, averaging $140 a month, were the highest in the country. The group found that a Flint resident paid $864.32 a year for water in January 2015, about $500 more than what the typical family in the rest of the country paid for water from other public utilities and more than twice the rate paid in the state generally."

wow
$140.00 a month,lead included

I pay a whopping $15.00 monthly

[dohboi]

I give up on trying to make you understand what it means to treat a public utility as if it were a private for-profit entity. Semantics, and all that.

I just hope you never have to suffer from the consequences of such perversions.

P, you may end up running across my daughter in your island hopping!. She's studying in Athens, but taking every opportunity she can to visit islands and other parts of Greece. It sounds like they've been having wonderful weather. Should be a great break from the cold for you.

I honestly do wish that flying wasn't such a climate f'er. I'd love to go visit her.

[KaiserJeep]

Everybody is assuming wrongdoing where there in fact may be none. Not all of the pipes in Flint are made of lead, not even most of them. Thus even after the lead was detected, it was in a small number of a great many water samples. That bureaucrats - whether elected or appointed - cannot make big decisions promptly and correctly is not even surprising, it is expected behavior.

[dohboi]

Breaking:

Thousands of Flint residents could join 'billion-dollar' water crisis lawsuits

Lawyers working on three class action suits believe they have a legal strategy to bypass ‘sovereign immunity’ that protects Michigan state officials from blame

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... ?CMP=fb_us

So the courts may indeed find that there is some wrongdoing here. And the wrong-doers may have to pay.

[dohboi]

[dohboi]

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '-')snip-
So the courts may indeed find that there is some wrongdoing here. And the wrong-doers may have to pay.

[dohboi]

No partisanship on my part. I love the supreme court appointment of Earl Warren by Republican President Eisenhower!

Let's not go too far into your deranged versions of history here, though, shall we?

[PrestonSturges]

.... and here comes the usual off-topic bs. This is why America can't have nice things.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'E')verybody is assuming wrongdoing where there in fact may be none. Not all of the pipes in Flint are made of lead, not even most of them. Thus even after the lead was detected, it was in a small number of a great many water samples. That bureaucrats - whether elected or appointed - cannot make big decisions promptly and correctly is not even surprising, it is expected behavior.

[KaiserJeep]

Honestly, do you really believe that the UAW demands for higher wages, lifetime healthcare, and very high retirement incomes had nothing to do with making American automobiles uncompetitive? Because that did happen, and now American cars have to compete with vehicles built with cheaper labor and cheaper raw materials, and in countries without environmental protections. Today American cars are being built with a lot of robots and very few people, using imported steel and plastics, and really are barely competing with the imports.

Do you also believe that the UAW got no quid pro quo for being the Democratic political machine in the entire area?

If so, Scarecrow, you need to get a brain. The Democrats destroyed the tax revenues, which in turn caused every financial issue Flint has, and lots of other cities.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'I') just hope you never have to suffer from the consequences of such perversions.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'H')onestly, do you really believe that the UAW demands for higher wages, lifetime healthcare, and very high retirement incomes had nothing to do with making American automobiles uncompetitive? Because that did happen, and now American cars have to compete with vehicles built with cheaper labor and cheaper raw materials, and in countries without environmental protections. Today American cars are being built with a lot of robots and very few people, using imported steel and plastics, and really are barely competing with the imports.

Do you also believe that the UAW got no quid pro quo for being the Democratic political machine in the entire area?

If so, Scarecrow, you need to get a brain. The Democrats destroyed the tax revenues, which in turn caused every financial issue Flint has, and lots of other cities.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'H')onestly, do you really believe that the UAW demands for higher wages, lifetime healthcare, and very high retirement incomes had nothing to do with making American automobiles uncompetitive?

[dohboi]

PS, that's what KJ does when he finds himself loosing an argument.

Plant, that moose business sounds pretty awful. Nice that you has a state gov that was functioning well enough to come out and test the water for you!

Meanwhile, kinda back on topic:

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/17/w ... ernor_know

What Did GM & the Governor Know?

GM Stopped Using Flint Water Over a Year Before Emergency Declared

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n October 2014, General Motors recognized the Flint water was corroding its engines. They got permission from the city’s unelected emergency manager—who was appointed by Republican Governor Rick Snyder—to disconnect from Flint’s water and go back to Detroit water. It would be another year before the people of Flint were finally allowed to disconnect from the corrosive Flint River as their water supply and hook up again to the Detroit water system

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ')That river water was even refused by GM since it corroded engine parts.