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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 18:11:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')rom my perspective, things could not get much better. Preparing to retire to the free state of Tennessee while the Dems make their plans to wreck the US economy by electing either a socialist or a criminal.
And if it weren't for FDR and the TVA, much of Tennessee would still be in the stone age.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 18:22:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')rom my perspective, things could not get much better. Preparing to retire to the free state of Tennessee while the Dems make their plans to wreck the US economy by electing either a socialist or a criminal.
And if it weren't for FDR and the TVA, much of Tennessee would still be in the stone age.


Wouldn't much affect my future lifestyle either way. As long as I have my guns and my little patch of ground, I really don't care what you socialists do to the rest of the country as long as you don't trespass.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 20:45:35

I see Tennessee has one of the highest suicide rates.....
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 21:24:46

I don't think the growth of the "drug" culture in the USA is getting enough of the blame. Many of these deaths in middle aged whites are occurring because of rising levels of drug abuse. For instance, Heroin abuse is up among rural whites in Maine and so are drug related deaths.

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People in the drug culture take drugs. Most start with pot---some move on to methamphetimene, coaine, and Heroin, and some of those folks die from drug overdoses, bad drugs, unclean needles, etc. etc..

The more folks who get sucked into the drug culture, the more who are going to die from drug abuse.

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 22:56:03

How long have doctors been prescribing life long SSRIs in the USA in the millions a year? Nominally supposedly preventative/ curative for depression related 'mood disorders', despite known suicide risks, relationship breakdowns, other side affects. Tens of millions of Americans are life long addicts to mood adjusting pharmaceutical drugs with serious long term harmful effects. & they can't even get high. No wonder they are trying to mess with their abysmal serotonin levels- despite the war on self serotonin adjustment chemicals. All quite bizarre really, like the obesity epidemic.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 02:38:54

People get addicted to pain killers and then their dealer tells them that heroin is exactly the same stuff, but much much cheaper. Of course, the purity varies, and it's often the newbies that OD.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 09:45:38

Also, to note is the epidemic of Meth throughout the country surely this must be another reason.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:13:35

I have, from time to time, been intemperate in my use of alcohol. I blame Obama for this.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Pops » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:50:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')rom my perspective, things could not get much better. Preparing to retire to the free state of Tennessee while the Dems make their plans to wreck the US economy by electing either a socialist or a criminal.
And if it weren't for FDR and the TVA, much of Tennessee would still be in the stone age.

Cog lives well and gets a big nest egg working in CA, self-deports to the the low-rent midwest and pontificates on right wing values and the evils of the coasts and proceeds to vote for lower taxes, fewer local services. I met lots of folks in the Ozarks who did exactly the same.

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 11:46:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'H')ow long have doctors been prescribing life long SSRIs in the USA in the millions a year? Nominally supposedly preventative/ curative for depression related 'mood disorders', despite known suicide risks, relationship breakdowns, other side affects. Tens of millions of Americans are life long addicts to mood adjusting pharmaceutical drugs with serious long term harmful effects. & they can't even get high. No wonder they are trying to mess with their abysmal serotonin levels- despite the war on self serotonin adjustment chemicals. All quite bizarre really, like the obesity epidemic.


Yes. So many who have been limping along on these meds, struggling to keep working, constant visits to emergency departments and then stockpiling their meds for the next suicide attempt. Many of these people were started on drugs as young kids (for ADHD). At the heart of it all is a deep dissatisfaction with our culture and lifestyle and often a rejection of the things we think make people successful. And what's disturbing is the number of young kids who now have substance use disorders, who feel hopeless and reject our culture. We need a realignment somehow! Where will these young folks be in 30 to 40 years?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 13:53:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') have, from time to time, been intemperate in my use of alcohol. I blame Obama for this.


Don't think you are following in Obama's footsteps by drinking. Obama was into dope and cocaine, like many other young people in the 1960s and 70s. That just shows what I mean by the pervasive drug culture in the USA. Lots of Americans were indoctrinated into the 1960s and 70s into thinking they could escape their unhappiness about their low grades in high school by smoking dope or doing some other drug. Now that they are older when they lose their job or get divorced they go for the oxycontin or the H. Then some die. Then the death rate goes up.

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 14:35:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')rom my perspective, things could not get much better. Preparing to retire to the free state of Tennessee while the Dems make their plans to wreck the US economy by electing either a socialist or a criminal.
And if it weren't for FDR and the TVA, much of Tennessee would still be in the stone age.

Cog lives well and gets a big nest egg working in CA, self-deports to the the low-rent midwest and pontificates on right wing values and the evils of the coasts and proceeds to vote for lower taxes, fewer local services. I met lots of folks in the Ozarks who did exactly the same.

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It would be ironic if I had ever supported big government and high taxes but I have not. From my outpost in southern Illinois, not CA, the voters of our southern Illinois contingent are decidedly more conservative. But we are outweighed by the very Democrat Chicago so our voices on the matter are never heard. Illinois is approaching bankruptcy and a failed state. There is no reason to stick around and watch the finale to the failed socialist experiment that is Illinois. So I will take my retirement money elsewhere. As do many of those same Dem government union guys who voted for the higher taxes and big government to begin with. A lot of them retire to southern states to take advantage of the climate and the lower taxes and lower services.

Just makes economic sense to leave a state which has no interest in reducing the size of government. Who knows perhaps I will decide southern Missouri is more to my liking. Low taxes and a solidly Republican legislature. What is not to like?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 15:35:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') have, from time to time, been intemperate in my use of alcohol. I blame Obama for this.


Don't think you are following in Obama's footsteps by drinking. Obama was into dope and cocaine, like many other young people in the 1960s and 70s. That just shows what I mean by the pervasive drug culture in the USA. Lots of Americans were indoctrinated into the 1960s and 70s into thinking they could escape their unhappiness about their low grades in high school by smoking dope or doing some other drug. Now that they are older when they lose their job or get divorced they go for the oxycontin or the H. Then some die. Then the death rate goes up.

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Lots die of heart attacks also; in fact, I think heart attacks strike more people aged 45 to 65 than older people.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 17:17:47

Interesting I got curious and did a little googling and found that new studies are confirming that drugs, alcohol and cigarette addictions all have a genetic basis to them. All three have been and are factors in premature sickness and death.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 17:20:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')ot this sorry myth again. Alcohol (not pot or lsd or cocaine or even heroin) kill millions of American.


Peter, try to keep up with current events in the real world. You need to stop wallowing in myths and begin paying more attention to the current medical data.

The paper in PNAS documenting the rising death toll among white Americans specifically pointed to increases in drug-related deaths as one cause of the overall increase in White mortality rates. Yes, alcohol-related deaths are a very serious problem and have always been a problem---but there is a large increase in DRUG-related deaths that is helping to drive the increasing death rate for middle aged whites. The increase in drug-related deaths among whites is so large that while whites in 1999 had a poisoning mortality rate for ages 45–54 that was 10.2 per 100,000 higher for black non-Hispanics than white non-Hispanics; by 2013, drug poisoning mortality was 8.4 per 100,000 higher for whites.


The change in all-cause mortality for white non-Hispanics 45–54 is largely accounted for by an increasing death rate from external causes, mostly increases in drug and alcohol poisonings and in sui- cide. (Patterns are similar for men and women when analyzed sep- arately.) In contrast to earlier years, drug overdoses were not concentrated among minorities. In 1999, poisoning mortality for ages 45–54 was 10.2 per 100,000 higher for black non-Hispanics than white non-Hispanics; by 2013, poisoning mortality was 8.4 per 100,000 higher for whites. Death from cirrhosis and chronic liver diseases fell for blacks and rose for whites. After 2006, death rates from alcohol- and drug-induced causes for white non-Hispanics exceeded those for black non-Hispanics; in 2013, rates for white non- Hispanic exceeded those for black non-Hispanics by 19 per 100,000.
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Face it, dude. The popular culture in the USA is now pro-drug, and drugs wind up killing a lot of people. States across the US are legalizing pot, and the Feds have stopped most prosecutions. We even elected a former pothead as President who publicly supports decriminalizing pot.

The most popular politicians in the country (Obama and Hillary), and the Ds and the political left and the libertarians on the rights, and the MSM and popular culture in the USA now are all ok with drug use----it is any surprise drug use is rising and more drug deaths are occurring?
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Re: American epidemic of suicide, pain and drug overdose

Unread postby Ayoob » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 18:06:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'h')ttps://rwer.wordpress.com/2015/11/05/epidemic-of-pain-suicide-and-drug-overdoses-3-graphs/
Very telling article of the psychological and physical status of typical white middle age Americans. A toxic brew for sure. Low paying undesirable jobs and job insecurity, drugs widely available both legal and non-legal, a disillusioned outlook as in what happened to America all contributing to this epidemic
I guess suddenly the American dream is turning into a nightmare. My opinion is that now when economic dislocation is becoming so common, those who are not adaptable to living with less and at peace with their circumstances are the ones most likely to suffer. This even while the populace is still relatively unaware of the you know what storm headed our way. When people recognize what is headed our way what then? I shudder to think.


My best guess is that if Hillary loses the next election, we're going to wind up with Trump or Carson. Neither one of those two is likely to disarm the population. Largely Republican governors won't, county Sheriffs won't (outside of NYC). You're going to have a large and disenfranchised mob armed to the teeth.

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Sun 08 Nov 2015, 19:15:41

Why would we want to disarm the populace? Planning on doing something with them that they will object to?

No one, except for the odd loon on the far left or far right, wants a civil war. Confiscation of firearms is a good way to kick one off.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 09 Nov 2015, 02:32:51

Last year a local rural county lost its only hospital, and now they don't have so much as an emergency clinic within 60 miles. Some of the local Republicans seemed quite smug and excited about it. As one brain dead church lady said "In our day this county had no hospital, and plenty of people lived to a ripe old age." And I'm sure that's true, but the stupid slag overlooks the fact that the dead people were buried, not stacked like cord wood in the town square where she would have been aware of them.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 09 Nov 2015, 02:46:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Face it, dude. The popular culture in the USA is now pro-drug, and drugs wind up killing a lot of people. States across the US are legalizing pot, and the Feds have stopped most prosecutions. We even elected a former pothead as President who publicly supports decriminalizing pot.

The most popular politicians in the country (Obama and Hillary), and the Ds and the political left and the libertarians on the rights, and the MSM and popular culture in the USA now are all ok with drug use----it is any surprise drug use is rising and more drug deaths are occurring?


Bush was an admitted alcoholic and used coke, maybe that's why the rising drug deaths are concentrated in Republican areas, including Texas

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