[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '3')00-million barrels a day? Gosh.... it's no wonder we have a glut

[Cog]

The Canadian Premier misspoke. Its not 300 million bbls per day. More like 3 million bbl/day.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he next Republican president will reverse this decision. So we will have trains AND a pipeline.

Cheers.

[Cog]

You need to get with the program Sixstrings. Anything that supports the oil industry and industrialization must be destroyed by whatever means necessary. We have a planet to save and whatever pain this causes humans is beside the point. Or maybe it is the point I'm not sure.

[GHung]

Six said; "I'm not an oil expert, is that a lot?"

Gosh, Six, as a regular here, one would think you were paying attention to some basic oil production stats. Since world oil production is currently a little less than 100 million barrels per day (last I looked), yes that's over 3 times world production, obviously a SNAFU, either by the Premier or the writers. Of course, math was never a politician's strongest suit, and the only stats that matter are the ones they pull out of their a$$es.

[GHung]

Cog said; "We have a planet to save and whatever pain this causes humans is beside the point."

All sarcasm aside, Cog, folks like you decided at some point that this is your planet to exploit and trash. Pain to humans is an eventual given, but it's not their planet to kill. It was here for billions of years before puny apes appeared, and will be here long after we exterminate ourselves and whatever other species were unfortunate enough to share our timespace.

So tell me again; who told you this was our f&cking planet to trash?

[Cog]

The apex predator generally decides what is within his purview to hunt. The planet is a ball of rock and water surrounded by atmosphere. It doesn't have feelings and I certainly don't worship it. So yes the planet does belong to us humans. Otherwise why are you doomers complaining so loudly about us humans wrecking it?

[GHung]

"....why are you doomers complaining so loudly about us humans wrecking it?"

Uh,, because some of us aren't sociopaths like you, Cog. Me? I just want to make sure it's YOUR grave our descendants piss on; not mine. I'm just passin' through. At least you're honest enough to admit you don't give a damn. In my case, it's about living with myself. Not sure how folks like you do that.

[ROCKMAN]

Just a minor point: man can't destroy Planet Earth. He might make some changes to it that might have significant negative impact or his fellow man or other species. But Mother has destoyed more species since the beginning of life on the planet then total number of species existing today. She has also induced climate change magnitudes greater the worse current predictions for our future.

Folks are just being sloppy when refer to destroying the planet. They really mean destroying some of the habitat we need.

[dohboi]

ROCK, there have been very many victories against ff interests. Besides Keystone XL and Shell's backing off from drilling in the Arctic, you can peruse the enormous number of proposed coal plants over the past few years that have been defeated: http://content.sierraclub.org/COAL/envi ... nt-tracker

None are enough, of course. (And of course, corporations will never admit that they were influenced by anything other than the good of their shareholders, but I hope we all here know that this is total BS.)

And speaking of total BS: "Mother has destoyed more species since the beginning of life ..." blah, blah, blah...

Yeah, yeah. Tell me something else that is totally and utterly irrelevant. This is like saying we have endless methane because it's the most plentiful gas in the universe. Just totally idiotic.

The question is: Are we now driving and mass extinction event that will rival or exceed any that has happened before since complex life evolved?

And the answer is looking more and more as if it is: Yes.

[Keith_McClary]

It's interesting that they are pushing the TPP, while at the same time making this political "national interests" decree to block imports.

Senator John Hoeven, a Republican of oil-producing North Dakota, said TransCanada would be able to challenge the decision under international trade agreements such as NAFTA or the World Trade Organization.

Another open question is whether the Calgary-based energy giant will try to recoup the more than US$2 billion it says it has already spent on the project's development. Earlier in the year, the company left the door open to suing the U.S. government under NAFTA.

I think the oil and bitumen companies also could demand compensation because of "non-tarriff barriers".

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '.')..TransCanada would be able to challenge the decision under international trade agreements such as NAFTA or the World Trade Organization......Another open question is whether the Calgary-based energy giant will try to recoup the more than US$2 billion it says it has already spent on the project's development. Earlier in the year, the company left the door open to suing the U.S. government under NAFTA.....

[Lore]

As far as I know we're still trading in oil with Canada. This is about building a pipeline on U.S. soil. We have trade agreements with many countries, but that doesn't give them the right to plunk a factory down here because of them.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')s far as I know we're still trading in oil with Canada. This is about building a pipeline on U.S. soil. We have trade agreements with many countries, but that doesn't give them the right to plunk a factory down here because of them.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')s far as I know we're still trading in oil with Canada. This is about building a pipeline on U.S. soil. We have trade agreements with many countries, but that doesn't give them the right to plunk a factory down here because of them.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')s far as I know we're still trading in oil with Canada. This is about building a pipeline on U.S. soil. We have trade agreements with many countries, but that doesn't give them the right to plunk a factory down here because of them.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')ts a win-win for Obama.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'M')other has destoyed more species since the beginning of life on the planet then total number of species existing today. She has also induced climate change magnitudes greater the worse current predictions for our future.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')If it were up to me I'd build the pipeline and leave the oil companies alone, but then as far as govt supports I'd fund green tech.