[jedrider]

Politically, our only choices appear to be living in a capitalist theocracy or a capitalist non-theocracy. The Iraq war would have been authorized by any capitalist knowing full well what it means for profits.

[Sixstrings]

19 year old college student confronts Jeb Bush, asks him why young Americans should be sent to "die in pointless wars" for "american exceptionalism." I don't think it's in this clip, but she also claims that W. Bush created ISIS when he disbanded the bathists etc. etc.

She's actually right on that. Not that W and Cheney did that on purpose, it turned out to be a tactical mistake.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIlfaLrpPk

Bush answers that ISIS wouldn't have become a problem if Obama had kept the 10,000 troop residual force. And he says that the world is a more unstable place now, "because America retreated in the world."

I'm not left wing or right wing, so I'm not on anyone's reservation and I'm objective -- actually the college student AND Bush are right.

BUT..

Old fashioned Republicans have A REALLY BAD PROBLEM HERE, with the American people in general, on these global cop wars.

Something has changed. People just don't want it anymore. And you know, I used to have a neighbor that was a disabled vet from the FIRST gulf war.

People are just tired of this stuff, and "America can't retreat in the world" just isn't cutting it. Right or wrong, it's just not cutting it with folks anymore.

I think the root of it all is that we're just part of this globalist system and America is supposed to be the leader and bear the burden of the fighting, etc. etc., and maybe foreign nations buy our bonds and that's what funds it, etc. etc., and then maybe American corporations get more business from us being global policeman.. and our role and cross to bear in the old world order was to singlehandedly keep the world stable..

But I don't know..

People are just tired of the wars. They want a rest from it. And they see too many problems here at home, it's ridiculous that the same Republicans that send our young people to war are the same Republicans that want to cut their social security afterward, when they're a wounded veteran.

People just do not see global policeman wars as being THEIR fight, anymore.

My opinion: there just should be a VERY solid international coalition in place, in the future, or we should not be involved anymore. And it should be significant, it needs to be THE BRITISH and THE FRENCH and THE GERMANS out there with SIGNIFICANT forces and NOT just a token force, and nobody should ever be able to say, ever again, that the next war is just some American war and somehow Brits get tricked into going along with it and all that crap.

And if we do have another war, then taxes ought to go up on the rich so that the war is paid for and doesn't bankrupt the treasury.

[Sixstrings]

edit: delete, too many rants..

rephrase: I'm pro American and all for America leading in the world, IF IT'S SMART and not another Iraq war, then okay I get that and I do believe in our values.

The problem I am having with Republicans though is that they are just talking all about free trade deals and foreign policy and at the same time they want to cut SS, raise the age, and it looks like they want to deregulate the banks again, and honestly they're actually for no minimum wage at all -- and even lower wages -- much less being for raising the minimum wage.

That's my problem with Jeb Bush's ideas, all I'm hearing is foreign policy stuff and there's nothing there for the 99% on domestic policy. And no, "more trade deals" will not "create more jobs." That's just factually wrong.

99% of all new income gains go to the top 1%.

All I am saying is that if Republicans want war funding, then the only way I'd be for that is if they attach a living wage bill to it, and attach environmental legislation to it, and raise taxes on the rich.

Republicans are just all stuck on foreign policy, it's not that I don't agree with them on some points, but they've ignored domestic way too much.

They want war funding? Then tack on a living wage bill to it. Improve conditions in THIS country, before more nation building overseas. That's all I'm saying, I don't think that's unreasonable.

[Tanada]

How low can he go before all the money dries up?

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'H')ow low can he go before all the money dries up?

[Sixstrings]

Wow this campaign's gettin' turned around, Jeb has is own "THE" thread.

Oh wait, most of these posts are from 2006.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'H')ow low can he go before all the money dries up?

[Sixstrings]

By the way, just thinking about who could actually WIN a general election and not just the primary..

I honestly can't see how it's possible, for Rubio to beat Clinton. Not in a general election. He seems too young and inexperienced. In a debate with Rubio, Clinton would seem like the responsible choice for president.

Jeb's got the best chance of winning a general.. yet.. not if he can't show more fire in the belly -- than what he's been showing, if he can't show it versus his Republican opponents then I guess it won't be there versus Hillary either. And would just be another Romney. Also, Bush has been turning into a bit of a big dork lately, as he *tries* to find some *fire in the belly*. Things like the hoodie gaffe, that's just like something Romney would have done:



When he tries to be funny, when he tries to be "hip," when he tries to be "mad" and have "fire in the belly" -- it just comes out as "dork."

Also -- the "I've got a lot of cool things I could go do instead of run for president, if you guys just want to kick me around" comment isn't exactly what people are looking for, in a president. It seems entitled -- he's not ASKING for your vote, he's not convincing you to vote for him, he's not inspiring anyone -- he just EXPECTS it. And it's like, if you don't want to vote for him, he can just go do a lot of other things and have a happy life and it's your loss that you didn't vote Jeb Bush.

Now, TRUMP has a shot, of winning the general -- IF the GOP could spend some money to polish him up and make him really ready for primetime, he actually could go all the way. Just on the novelty of it, and "strong leadership" qualities. I have to admit it, I do wonder what Trump would be like as commander in chief -- and if voters are imagining someone president, that's just a step away from voting for them. I can also picture what Jeb would be like -- actually okay, and better on foreign policy certain than Obama has been. But NOTHING NEW. Nothing interesting. No change.

But Trump, he seems to be like something new. And like, you just wonder what he'd do in there and what kind of deals he'd negotiate and how he'd handle Putin and the middle east and China. And, one just things that Trump could handle things and would never be a wimp or be outgamed by anybody.

Not saying I'd vote for Trump.. but I wouldn't run to Canada either, if he won.

Other than Trump and Bush, among the current candidates, I actually think something like a Pataki-Fiorina ticket could win a general election. Or, maybe pair Rubio up with Fiorina and that would help.

Pataki's the kind of Republican that's more in line with the general electorate. If you listen to these debates, actually Pataki was pretty smart in the last one. And yes, I realize he only polls .01%, but just saying, he could maybe win a general election.

[Cog]

Pataki is a northeastern liberal. I don't know what part of the Republican party you think he is part of but it sure ain't the same one I am part of. He wouldn't get a single Republican vote from sea to shining sea. So no, he wouldn't win the general election much less the Republican nomination.

[SeaGypsy]

There is only one Pub with a chance against Clinton & it is Trump. This establishment has grokked this some weeks back & are seething about it. 6, as usual contradicting himself all over the shop, if the establishment 2 get up, Clinton vs Bush, you & I & the postman & everyone else knows who will win. Is it worth another term or two with Dems in the whitehouse just because Trump is a radical? That's the real question.

[Tanada]

Everyone has known the Establishment picks of the two major parties foe many months, Bush and Clinton. The problem is Bush is not Presidential in any way that is obvious, and of course my objections to his preferred opponent are not exactly a secret. Who gets all the votes in the straw polls? Neither of the establishment picks has any voter appeal and they are both angry and a bit scared by that fact. They are still pushing for dear ole Jeb, but the guy has no traction with the voters.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'P')ataki is a northeastern liberal. I don't know what part of the Republican party you think he is part of but it sure ain't the same one I am part of. He wouldn't get a single Republican vote from sea to shining sea. So no, he wouldn't win the general election much less the Republican nomination.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')he problem is Bush is not Presidential in any way that is obvious,

[Sixstrings]

Maureen Dowd in NYT, "Fall of the House of Buish." Reportedly, 91 year old HW Bush throws a shoe at the tv whenever Trump's on.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')all of the House of Bush

JEB, dragging his wilted exclamation point around, is so boring that it’s hard to focus on the epic nature of his battle.

...

Some of Jeb’s disillusioned donors are hanging on just because they can’t bear to shatter the old man’s illusions. How can America be rewarding the wrong dynasty — Little Rock over Kennebunkport?

As Jonathan Martin and Matt Flegenheimer recently wrote in The Times, Poppy and Bush retainers like John Sununu are bewildered by a conservative electorate that rejects Republican primogeniture, prefers snark to substance and embraces an extremely weird brain surgeon and an extravagantly wild reality show star.

When the Bushes had to stick a shiv in the ribs of their foes, they behaved like gentlemen and outsourced it to henchmen. They can’t fathom a world where that vulgarian Trump is doing his own dirty work.

Trump has gotten into Jeb’s head, making Jeb so petulant he declared he had “a lot of really cool things” he could be doing instead, when we all know he doesn’t.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/opinion/sunday/fall-of-the-house-of-bush.html?action=click&contentCollection=Science&module=MostPopularFB&version=Full&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article

[Tanada]

Jeb Bush is his own worst nightmare, he is trying to win a 21st Century election with 20th Century methods.

[Tanada]

US News and World Report has a pretty long article on good ole Jeb you might be interested in, raising the issue if Rubio wins the nomination will Jeb back him, or torch him costing the GOP Florida?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ven before Jeb Bush's uninspiring debate performance Wednesday night, his sputtering presidential campaign was working to prevent defections.

Bush's top lieutenants convened with donors in sopping wet Houston on Monday to calm their fears and retrench for the unforgiving haul ahead.
Former Governor Jeb Bush answers questions from journalists after a town-hall meeting at the Historical Society in Keene, New Hampshire on Thursday, August 20, 2015.

After the confab, Bush's team distributed a 45-page PowerPoint presentation to select reporters, summarizing an optimistic view of the race, touting the Republican candidate's cash and organization, and assuring supporters that early polls are rarely indicative of ultimate success.

But in that leak to select media, the campaign purposely left out more than half of what was furnished behind closed doors.

The full presentation, obtained exclusively by U.S. News, spans 112 pages and includes a trove of new details, including Bush's internal polling, his vote goal in Iowa and his advertising plan for January.

Additionally, while the slides released to the media outlined Bush's overarching argument against Florida Sen. Marco Rubio – that he's the GOP's Barack Obama – the complete offering contains more biting, detailed slights, pointedly questioning the character and ethics of Bush's home state rival.

The document provides a rare behind-the-curtain look at the gritty details of a campaign at a crucial inflection point. Here's a breakdown of the most illuminating pieces of intelligence contained in Bush's 2016 blueprint.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') would rather have Hillary than Jeb. At least that way I can see the knife blade coming at me.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ollowing his father’s footsteps: the path of Jeb Bush

Author Jon Meacham’s latest book is a deeply reported, intimate look at the legacy of George H.W. Bush.
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/following-his-fathers-footsteps-the-path-of-jeb-bush/

[Cog]

Six,

How in the world can you consistently pick the worst possible candidate to support? First it was Bernie Sanders, then it was Trump, now its Jeb. Is it a gift of some sort? Jeb is exactly what is wrong with establishment Republicans. A get along with Democrats sort of guy like Boehner and McConnell. Hillary will decimate him in a debate. Voters are sick of that sort of thing. But by all means vote for him in the primary. He won't be the nominee.

[Sixstrings]

I'm not listening to you Cog, Jeb can fix it.




Medal of Honor recipients endorse Jeb Bush:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eady | Jeb Bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZMg8S9wrA