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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby ennui2 » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 09:14:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') could have told you that you are wasting your time with this group C8. They still believe the BLM narrative that choir boy and future Nobel prize winner Michael Brown was executed from behind by Ku Klux Klan leader Darren Wilson. It is how they see the world.

But have fun with it.


Why don't you and C8 go get a room if you want to show this much PDA.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 12:44:17

"Statistically speaking, nations with Wild West mentalities and guns kill more people then others." Yes indeed...something to contemplate while waiting 11 minutes for the popo to show up after an armed intruder confronts you in your home. LOL. But, as I implied, a large number of Texans really don't have a great ability to defend themselves even if armed. Like my wife: she could never drop the hammer on a bad guy...too big an emotional hurdle. But I did teach her how to crank a unloaded shotgun...a sound that would make most bad guys pee on themselves..
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Cog » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 15:37:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'S')tatistically speaking, nations with Wild West mentalities and guns kill more people then others.


You might want to google FBI gun crime statistics. The demographics responsible for most of the shootings in the US are not wearing cowboy boots. :lol:
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby C8 » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 16:49:12

I ask a simple question: what happens now that police work has becomes such a high risk job that fewer people want to do it?

The leftist answer; smear all cops as killers, blame them for everything, etc. Just name calling really.

I can remember a time when the left had ideas- are they all so failed and bankrupted now that the only response to any logical question is name calling and smears? What a pathetic excuse for an intellectual movement- 3rd grade stuff.

So I throw the question out to the adults: what happens now that police work has becomes such a high risk job that fewer people want to do it?

What happens when, if you make a lighting quick decision to save somebody's life (or your own)- and BEFORE an investigation is even started:
1. you get national condemnation
2. become a front page figure commented on even by the White House
3. have your family threatened
4. house picketed
5. threatened a not-so-fair prosecution by inner city politicians who may want to score one for their blood thirsty constituents (or they will riot)

what happens if all this continues EVEN if you are found innocent or at least within the realm of rational behavior?

Who wants this job? Who wants to choose between getting shot or becoming public enemy no. 1? Who wants their kids threatened? Who wants second guessing on an object that looked an awful lot like a gun and was being pulled out very fast (even though you told them to freeze?)

I am not talking about the obviously bad cops (like the one is SC with the taser crap) I am talking about the many questionable cases. Cops are getting attacked before video even comes out.

Now many cops are being shot at on the streets by the whipped up hate- I don't this Genie going back into the bottle- cops are disappearing.

What becomes of a society without police?

Its starting to happen.

Anybody care to answer with ideas- not smears?
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 18:16:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', 'I') ask a simple question: what happens now that police work has becomes such a high risk job that fewer people want to do it?

Being a cop isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs, police deaths are down, they are mostly a danger to themselves.
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')Now many cops are being shot at on the streets by the whipped up hate- I don't this Genie going back into the bottle- cops are disappearing.

What becomes of a society without police?

Its starting to happen.

Anybody care to answer with ideas- not smears?

I'm afraid I can't help you since you are going with generic black-people-are-starting-a-race-war-and-the-end-of-the-world jerking off. You start with a bunch of fantasies that could have come from Stormfront, and demand other people take that as the starting point? If that's what you want, get a therapist and pay by the hour.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Cog » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 18:48:41

See C8. You ask some legit questions and are called a racist with ties to Stormfront. This is how the left looks at you, the cops, and anyone who asks uncomfortable questions.

The deal is we have a serious crime problem in the inner city black community. The left blames this on white racist cops going on rampages. The truth is the biggest danger to a young black man is another young black man. The statistics show it and facts be racist yo. The left is fully aware that almost everywhere you have huge black populations and high crime rates, you find a Democrat running the city. Another unpleasant fact, the left doesn't want to talk about.

When you throw your cops under the bus, like what happened in Baltimore, New York, and St Louis, you get "drive by and wave" policing by the cops. I don't blame them at all. Why take the chance on getting jacked up by the politicians even before the facts are known?

Saw the same deal happen in Ferguson by the governor and other race baiters. They don't care that Mike Brown didn't have his hands up, that he wasn't shot from behind, and that he assaulted a cop and try to take his gun. Facts are racist in the world of the left. It is the narrative that is important. Forensics and autopsies are for suckers. So essentially C8, when you ask questions of the left, that they don't want to answer, they simply attack you.

If you are smart you simply arm yourself, keep out of high crime areas, and don't count on the cops being there when crap goes down. Because with the new attitude going down with the politicians, cops aren't going to be doing any proactive policing anymore. I wouldn't if I were them.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby augjohnson » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 18:59:59

C8: I ask a simple question: what happens now that police work has becomes such a high risk job that fewer people want to do it?

Umm... Police work isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous. Construction workers have a higher risk job! Is there a shortage of Construction Workers due to this danger? Garbage Collectors are at even more risk!

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 19:34:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')ee C8. You ask some legit questions and are called a racist with ties to Stormfront. This is how the left looks at you, the cops, and anyone who asks uncomfortable questions.
God wingnuts and their cult of perpetual victimhood. Geeze, go over to Stormfront and see exactly the same things being said and cry big tears about how mean everyone is to you. And then you can come back and give us your weekly lecture about how much you love black people.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Subjectivist » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 19:37:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('augjohnson', 'C')8: I ask a simple question: what happens now that police work has becomes such a high risk job that fewer people want to do it?

Umm... Police work isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous. Construction workers have a higher risk job! Is there a shortage of Construction Workers due to this danger? Garbage Collectors are at even more risk!

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

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When construction workers did it is generally by accident, not from some random person they meet in their job trying to kill them deliberately.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby augjohnson » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 19:51:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'W')hen construction workers did it is generally by accident, not from some random person they meet in their job trying to kill them deliberately.


That doesn't make the likelihood of being killed any different. The fact is that, relative to quite a few other professions, it's a safer job. And higher paying.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 19:57:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', '
')When construction workers did it is generally by accident, not from some random person they meet in their job trying to kill them deliberately.
Yeah well construction workers don't randomly kill hundreds of people a year during working hours. And I can't recall the last time a couple commercial fisherman shot someone 30 times while on the job and got a promotion.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby augjohnson » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 20:06:28

And you don't see very many Taxi Companies having to make multi-million dollar payouts because one of their drivers caused the death of a passenger.

Baltimore to pay Freddie Gray's family $6.4 million to settle civil claims

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Cog » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 20:09:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')ee C8. You ask some legit questions and are called a racist with ties to Stormfront. This is how the left looks at you, the cops, and anyone who asks uncomfortable questions.
God wingnuts and their cult of perpetual victimhood. Geeze, go over to Stormfront and see exactly the same things being said and cry big tears about how mean everyone is to you. And then you can come back and give us your weekly lecture about how much you love black people.


Case in point at what I was referring to C8. A thread like this brings them out in swarms. But you can take some comfort in that you have provided a useful service to the board by getting them to react with their usual vitriol. Right out of the Rules for Radicals playbook aka Saul Alinsky.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Cog » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 20:12:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('augjohnson', 'A')nd you don't see very many Taxi Companies having to make multi-million dollar payouts because one of their drivers caused the death of a passenger.

Baltimore to pay Freddie Gray's family $6.4 million to settle civil claims

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html


Trying to head off the riots in case the officers are found not guilty. Won't work of course, since rioting and looting when things don't go your way is the usual tactic of the social justice warrior. Case in point Ferguson.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 20:19:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', 'I') ask a simple question: what happens now that police work has becomes such a high risk job that fewer people want to do it?

Is it really such a high risk job? Certainly it is in certain neighborhoods, but not overall. (See stats in various posts above). If it is perceived as being too high risk in certain places, then the salaries will have to go up, or those areas will have severe shortages of cops.

So, aside from more rules and regs, I suspect most cops working in decent areas in most towns and cities haven't been impacted that much. Technology, such as the body and cop car cams may well help alleviate some of the rules and regs as well. Nothing like objective evidence to help settle a he-said she-said argument about what happened.
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')What happens when, if you make a lighting quick decision to save somebody's life (or your own)- and BEFORE an investigation is even started:
1. you get national condemnation
2. become a front page figure commented on even by the White House
3. have your family threatened
4. house picketed
5. threatened a not-so-fair prosecution by inner city politicians who may want to score one for their blood thirsty constituents (or they will riot)

I don't like the public witch hunts that have occured, especially when once the facts come out that the "victim" is a criminal who was clearly at fault, the witch hunters largely completely ignore such facts.

OTOH, how is it that cops are now legally allowed to confiscate "large" amounts of cash with NO warrant, NO trial, no proof of a crime, etc. It's called "civil asset forfeiture", and all a cop has to do is say they believe the money was involved in a crime. And by the way, the police are often allowed to keep the money for equipment, etc. and there is often very little oversight of how such money is spent.

Is this supposed to garner respect for the police? Respect is EARNED. It's a two way street.

Finally, if you think only the police have it harder in their jobs in this new "global" economy where downsizing, outsourcing, cost cutting, etc. are the norm, instead of valuing employees and trying to work WITH them to help them grow and benefit the company over a productive career -- you're delusional. Cops are just one example of a job where some aspects of it have gotten worse and employees are shown less respect.

Other examples, off the top where I've witnessed the negative changes, include many corporate professionals of many job types, teachers, and white collar workers in general. The blue collar jobs continue to be impacted of course -- but for them this trend started much earlier, with jobs in steel production being a prime example.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 20:21:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')ee C8. You ask some legit questions and are called a racist with ties to Stormfront. This is how the left looks at you, the cops, and anyone who asks uncomfortable questions.
God wingnuts and their cult of perpetual victimhood. Geeze, go over to Stormfront and see exactly the same things being said and cry big tears about how mean everyone is to you. And then you can come back and give us your weekly lecture about how much you love black people.

Case in point at what I was referring to C8. A thread like this brings them out in swarms. But you can take some comfort in that you have provided a useful service to the board by getting them to react with their usual vitriol. Right out of the Rules for Radicals playbook aka Saul Alinsky.
Please feel free to start a Saul Alinsky thread, I'm sure that would be a lot of fun. You do know he died in 1972, right?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A') thread like this brings them out in swarms.

See there's this dream world you inhabit where you are saving the world from them. It's like the father of the National Guardsman who tackled the French train terrorist, said he wanted to give a message to "the liberals." He seemed like a nice guy, but he lives in a fantasy world where "liberals just don't get it" and I guess they all wept when Bin Laden was killed. Anyway, by all means just keep playing with each other's dicks and congratulating yourselves about how brave and smart and moral you are, because you are so much better than the millions of weak, cowardly, stupid imaginary them.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 20:23:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')ee C8. You ask some legit questions and are called a racist with ties to Stormfront. This is how the left looks at you, the cops, and anyone who asks uncomfortable questions.
God wingnuts and their cult of perpetual victimhood. Geeze, go over to Stormfront and see exactly the same things being said and cry big tears about how mean everyone is to you. And then you can come back and give us your weekly lecture about how much you love black people.

Case in point at what I was referring to C8. A thread like this brings them out in swarms. But you can take some comfort in that you have provided a useful service to the board by getting them to react with their usual vitriol. Right out of the Rules for Radicals playbook aka Saul Alinsky.
Please feel free to start a Saul Alinsky thread, I'm sure that would be a lot of fun. You do know he died in 1972, right?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A') thread like this brings them out in swarms.

See there's this dream world you inhabit where you are saving the world from them. It's like the father of the National Guardsman who tackled the French train terrorist, said he wanted to give a message to "the liberals." He seemed like a nice guy, but he lives in a fantasy world where "liberals just don't get it" and I guess they all wept when Bin Laden was killed. Anyway, by all means just keep playing with each other's dicks and congratulating yourselves about how brave and smart and moral you are, because you are so much better than the millions of weak, cowardly, stupid imaginary them.
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Cog » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 21:18:07

Saul is dead but his work lives on with the hard left. :lol: All so predictable

. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 21:22:42

OK, that was random and irrelevant, so we'll just file that under Caliphate/Roman columns/Teleprompter/Arugula
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Re: As cops quit- is social breakdown on the horizon?

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 08 Sep 2015, 21:25:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '.')..Right out of the Rules for Radicals playbook aka Saul Alinsky.
Please feel free to start a Saul Alinsky thread, I'm sure that would be a lot of fun. You do know he died in 1972, right?

Actually, Bill Maher had something to say about that too:

“Why would you invite my outrage by suggesting such a specious link between our president and Saul Alinsky?” he asked. “And two, who the %@#$ is Saul Alinsky?”

https://youtu.be/RtLEPPgbNyM

http://www.rawstory.com/2012/01/maher-a ... l-alinsky/

A while back on a message board, someone called the Obama Administration a "1930's German socialist state", another poster pointed out how that was a combination of random buzzwords that don't really mean anything. I guess Alinsky fits in there too.
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