In Richard Duncins Olduvai Theory there is mentioning of Sir Fred Hoyle who in 1964 was stating that if the industrial civilization does collapse, with the fossil fuels and "high-grade" metallic ores gone, no species will ever reach the same level of technology as we now enjoy.
Since we are about to experience this major changing point within this decade one wonders if such impeccable timing in witnessing this shift can be a conincidence . If you were born just 100 years earlier the picture would have been a very different one.
Is there something we should know that we don't know? Is Peak Oil a just one clue in a larger riddle that we have to solve?
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Is Peak Oil a just one clue in a larger riddle?
Is Peak Oil a just one clue in a larger riddle?
by aldente » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 14:34:52
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by lateStarter » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 14:59:47
Yes, you are correct (at some level although I'm not sure what) - there is a larger riddle (maybe question or problem would be a better word), but we are not going to solve it. We only think we are clever...
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by aldente » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 15:22:05
I understand that the conventional solutions don't apply (the sudden appearance of a new, clean energy source wont happen). I prefer to look into the metaphysical direction. Altered consciousness for instance. The way our brains are wired. Conditioning and programming or the human biocomputer etc.
I need to add though that what is so stunning to me is the fact that our generation will experience Peak Oil and there will be only one Peak Oil in the history of this planet. It seems unreal that we coincidently live at this precise moment AND are aware what's going to happen.
Keep in mind, the majority of the population will be fed random explanations to by the ruling elites in regards to the unravelling events. They will never understand what happens to them.
I need to add though that what is so stunning to me is the fact that our generation will experience Peak Oil and there will be only one Peak Oil in the history of this planet. It seems unreal that we coincidently live at this precise moment AND are aware what's going to happen.
Keep in mind, the majority of the population will be fed random explanations to by the ruling elites in regards to the unravelling events. They will never understand what happens to them.
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by Carrie » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 17:19:34
I've thought about this too. It would seem against all odds that not only would we be born a member of the most intelligent species on the planet, but also during an extremely important time in that species' history. I'm an agnostic, but the sheer mystery of existence has always baffled me.
Here's one possibility to wrap your brain around - we could be living in a virtual simulation, like the Matrix. It's an offshoot of the multiverse theory:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you've ever thought life was actually a dream, take comfort. Some pretty distinguished scientists may agree with you. Philosophers have long questioned whether there is in fact a real world out there, or whether "reality" is just a figment of our imagination.
Then along came the quantum physicists, who unveiled an Alice-in-Wonderland realm of atomic uncertainty, where particles can be waves and solid objects dissolve away into ghostly patterns of quantum energy.
Now cosmologists have got in on the act, suggesting that what we perceive as the universe might in fact be nothing more than a gigantic simulation.
Here's one possibility to wrap your brain around - we could be living in a virtual simulation, like the Matrix. It's an offshoot of the multiverse theory:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you've ever thought life was actually a dream, take comfort. Some pretty distinguished scientists may agree with you. Philosophers have long questioned whether there is in fact a real world out there, or whether "reality" is just a figment of our imagination.
Then along came the quantum physicists, who unveiled an Alice-in-Wonderland realm of atomic uncertainty, where particles can be waves and solid objects dissolve away into ghostly patterns of quantum energy.
Now cosmologists have got in on the act, suggesting that what we perceive as the universe might in fact be nothing more than a gigantic simulation.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/ ... click=true
It would explain a lot of things, wouldn't it? We could all be Sims.
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by Kingcoal » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 17:56:43
Wow, I can almost hear the theme from 'Sightings' playing in the background. In the real world, it's all science, all the time. There is no magic at work. Previous civilizations experienced "Peak wood" and survived. The only crisis is one of intelligence.
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by RonMN » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 18:05:36
Every generation has had their "disasters" to deal with. If we had been born 100 years earlier we would have had to deal with WW1 WW2 the great depression, Korea, Vietnam...etc...etc...
The problem is that we were born in a time of relative peace & luxury & it made us lazy & our asses fat. Now that we're about to face a real problem, it looks so dire that we figure most of us will die (and maybe most of us will). Human life thrived before oil and it can after oil (ofcourse not for 6 billion...that number will have to be trimmed a bit).
Get ready to work your ass off...there ain't gonna be too many fat people around real soon!
The problem is that we were born in a time of relative peace & luxury & it made us lazy & our asses fat. Now that we're about to face a real problem, it looks so dire that we figure most of us will die (and maybe most of us will). Human life thrived before oil and it can after oil (ofcourse not for 6 billion...that number will have to be trimmed a bit).
Get ready to work your ass off...there ain't gonna be too many fat people around real soon!
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matrix type possibilities
by jockc » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 18:30:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve thought about this too. It would seem against all odds that not only would we be born a member of the most intelligent species on the planet, but also during an extremely important time in that species' history. I'm an agnostic, but the sheer mystery of existence has always baffled me.
We are actually in a 'resource depletion scenario' computer simulation being run by a graduate student 'out there' in the 'real world'. Of course that world would be as incomprehensible to us as ours would be to a sim in The Sims. It's probably 4 or 5 dimensions.
Depending on how the student views us (are we truly sentient, and does it matter if so), he might step in and save our world when he has collected the data he needed. (this is known as the 'technology will save us' argument to the extreme) Also, he might setup afterworld scenarios for us to occupy after our deaths.
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or perhaps humanity destroyed the earth long ago, then set out inside giant hollowed out spinning asteroids looking for new worlds to live on. Because the inside of an asteroid is dull, most of our time is spent in virtual worlds that look like the old earth. Perhaps resource depletion is a common theme in these virtual worlds to help remind us the importance of conservation, once we leave the virtual world(s) and return to our mundane jobs in the asteroid.
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or what if, a future society has overcome all problems (energy, death, etc) and becomes bored, so sets up virtual simulations where the immortals can experience these things again, but safely. Or perhaps they just want us for our art and literature.
hey anything's possible.
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by aldente » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 18:35:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carrie', ' ')It would seem against all odds that not only would we be born a member of the most intelligent species on the planet, but also during an extremely important time in that species' history.
So it's about time and our perception therof. Merleau-Ponty said:
"Time is the one single movement appropriate to itself in all its parts". Here we see the fullness of alienation in the separated world of capital. Time is thought of by us before its parts; it thus reveals the totality. The crisis of time is the crisis of the whole.
In the same context:
Turning to what is commonly called psychology, we again come upon one of the most fundamental questions: Is there really a phenomenon of time that exists apart from any individual, or does it reside only in one's perceptions of it? We know that experiences, like events of every other kind, are neither past, present nor future in themselves.
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')We are actually in a 'resource depletion scenario' computer simulation being run by a graduate student 'out there' in the 'real world'. Of course that world would be as incomprehensible to us as ours would be to a sim in The Sims. It's probably 4 or 5 dimensions.
You're on the wrong track there, I fear. The reality of resource depletion including it's implications most notably Peak Oil are not being questioned here, nor are they "outsourced" to a cosmic graduate student. The excercise is to manipulate the angle with which you as the observer percieve what is commonly defined as reality. Or are you a one-dimensional thinker?
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