[Specop_007]

Uniting as a people. Not against terrorism, not against peak oil. No, uniting as a people against our own government. Its pretty clear both sides (Republican and Democrat) want to screw the little guy. They just do it in different ways. Until we, as a people, come together and support a normal common sense third party candidate, we're pretty much screwed.

Too easy right?

[turmoil]

yes, or you could not vote at all, like half the country does.

edit: we should form militias and our own local governments

[I_Like_Plants]

Probably. The crew we have in charge now make Perot look pretty good.

[Hawkcreek]

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[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')niting as a people. Not against terrorism, not against peak oil. No, uniting as a people against our own government. Its pretty clear both sides (Republican and Democrat) want to screw the little guy. They just do it in different ways. Until we, as a people, come together and support a normal common sense third party candidate, we're pretty much screwed.

[RonMN]

How about a "draft" into polotics? Lottery style. Put every name in the USA's phone books & draw from a barel.

Dear So&so,

You are hearby requested and required to fullfil the duties of the office of PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATEA OF AMERICA!

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'U')niting as a people. Not against terrorism, not against peak oil. No, uniting as a people against our own government. Its pretty clear both sides (Republican and Democrat) want to screw the little guy. They just do it in different ways. Until we, as a people, come together and support a normal common sense third party candidate, we're pretty much screwed.

Too easy right?

[k_semler]

There is nothing that me, you, or the masses can do to restore the republic. Speaking out is useless, people have been so brain washed to believe that we are exactly as the FF intended. Voting is useless, as the election process is rigged. Suing to remove them from office is useless, as the recent WA governer trial concluded. It is impossible to get an election overturned even when it is evident that fraud was involved in the electoral process. It is futile to take up arms, to do so would ensure the destruction of everyone involved. If they could not do so conventionally, then they will just use the Atlas IV and miniuteman missiles against major population centers. If they cannot control the population, they will destroy the population.

It does not matter if you don't contribute to thier election campaigns, many establishments endorse a canidate with several hundred thousand dollars. Also, rich power players will still contribute. Even if there were none of the general population contributing to the election fund, the corporate, media, and powerplayer contributions would be significant enough to ensure thier run for office. Even if that were to cease, the government would just raise taxes to get thier election fund. Nothing we can do will ever make a difference.

The government can take your land, take your money, take your posessions, and make your life a royal hell on earth while still saying you are free in the land of liberty. There is nothing that can be done about it. Any resistance on any level will be overcome by the government using whatever means possible, even if that means the atomisation of the population. At least the citizens of Germany knew what they were facing during the Nazi regime. Here, the people are so damn brainwashed, that getting them to understand anything beyond the 15 second sound bite is futile at best. At worst, attemting to get them to understand the real issues is outright deadly.

[Cool Hand Linc]

SPECOOP_007 FOR PRESIDENT!

[lorenzo]

I've never understood why Americans only vote for two parties. Nader is a great alternative candidate. And I've read there are more than 50 political parties in the US.
And still, this all levels out to two basic parties. I don't get it. In Europe, there's a much more nuanced political spectrum, which naturally filters out 3 big parties (right, left, center) and several smaller satellites that are crucial to the formation of coalitions.

I'm sure it has to do with the electoral system. (Which none of the two big parties wants to change). (This reminds me of the British system: Blair won only 30% of the total vote, but got a majority representation in the house and can form a government! This is not normal. In a democracy, if you get 30% of the vote, you don't have a majority and you don't make a government. You need at least one other partner. Not so in the Anglo-fantasy world.)

Back to our American friends. Maybe Americans they prefer clear black-white messages, not nuance, and complexity. As I see it, the two-party system is a sign of a lack of what the french call "citoyenneté", active citizenship where each individual citizen has a strong political opinion which is based on reason and reflection.
I also assume that the evil Americans are extremely moralistic, and hence often think in binary terms (good - evil ; "you're either with us, or you're a terrorist"). This may explain their obsession with this duality in politics.

But then, I'm sure there are advantages to the authoritarian two-party state.

[Cool Hand Linc]

I would like to think I have $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')a strong political opinion which is based on reason and reflection.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'T')he government can take your land, take your money, take your posessions, and make your life a royal hell on earth while still saying you are free in the land of liberty.

[dmtu]

I'll go get a mop so we can clean up specs epiphany.

[Budmeister]

Excellent post! (uh, wheres the little standing ovation smiley)

I've heard it said:
"How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?"

[0mar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Budmeister', 'E')xcellent post! (uh, wheres the little standing ovation smiley)

I've heard it said:
"How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?"

[SmokinJuan]

In 2004 Michael Badnarik was the presidential nominee for the Libertarian party and David Cobb was the nominee for the Green party. Last I heard these are the two largest political parties, excluding republicans and democrats. On October 8th Badnarik and Cobb were both arrested just outside of a televised presidential debate between bush and kerry in St. Louis MO according to the libertarian website:
http://www.lp.org/lpnews/printer_234.shtml

But I dare you to try and find a single mention of it in the mainstream news. Go to http://news.google.com and enter: badnarik cobb arrested
You won’t find a single story. Not one. Michael Jackson? Check. Terri Shiavo? Check. Tom Cruise? Check. But when it comes to the largest election for the leader of the most influential country in the world the media decides that two presidential candidates being arrested at a presidential debate just isn’t newsworthy. That, <B>Lorenzo</B>, is why Americans only vote for two parties.

And that’s all I need to know. The whole “democracy” front is a sham. There is obvious collusion in the media and a reasonable guess extends that collusion to the republican and democrat parties. There’s no reason for me to “waste my vote” by casting it in a fixed election. Why bother when the few remaining in this country with the slightest shred of intelligence won’t even know that anything but republicans and democrats exist.

Unfortunately, <B>k_semler</B> has it mostly right. I wouldn’t say that NOTHING that can be done about it, but there is very little that can be done while keeping the dignity that so many others have obviously let go.