[radon1]

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... 9-vdgk.htm

(bing translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he leader of the radical party "Right Sector" Dmitry Jarosz said the powerful blast in Donetsk in the night of 8 to 9 February was a result of the work of the Ukrainian artillery.

"Some time ago our artillery worked perfectly"- claimed his message in Facebook.

He also clarified that the firing was targeted at the Donetsk army forces.

"The explosion caused panic in Donetsk," added Jarosz.

Earlier, in the western part of the city, a powerful explosion produced a bright flash which was visible even in neighboring Makeyevka and Gorlovka. The Donetsk residents felt the vibration and the glass was broken in some homes.

The epicenter of the blast became a military chemical plant, which produces artillery ammunition and explosive bombs, and disposes of obsolete ammunition.

Eyewitnesses in social networks reported that the explosion caused a huge "mushroom" caustic smoke. Information on casualties among the peaceful population is unavailable yet.

[radon1]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/opini ... .html?_r=2

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Don't Arm Ukraine

The Ukraine crisis is almost a year old and Russia is winning. The separatists in eastern Ukraine are gaining ground and Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, shows no signs of backing down in the face of Western economic sanctions.

Unsurprisingly, a growing chorus of voices in the United States is calling for arming Ukraine. A recent report from three leading American think tanks endorses sending Kiev advanced weaponry, and the White House’s nominee for secretary of defense, Ashton B. Carter, said last week to the Senate armed services committee, “I very much incline in that direction.”

They are wrong. Going down that road would be a huge mistake for the United States, NATO and Ukraine itself. Sending weapons to Ukraine will not rescue its army and will instead lead to an escalation in the fighting. Such a step is especially dangerous because Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons and is seeking to defend a vital strategic interest.

[AgentR11]

Yall need to chill, none of us on this thread own the editorial rights to PO.. We don't get to make rules one way or another. I do agree, that the format of Six's postings tend to overwhelm a thread making conversation difficult or impossible because he usually posts multiple times simultaneously, pushing other content off the page, as opposed to combining content so that his voice is just one of many.

Also, I know that this is touching closer to home for some, as it is real war, and real, decent, honorable men, women, and children are dieing; but I would point the user to the title of the board, "Peak Oil"; one of the primary assertions of the idea is that resource wars will grow more and more blatant as the system gets pushed further along towards its limits. This is one such conflict; and we should expect many more, and they will like effect more and more people that get noticed by our media and friends, as opposed to some folks in backwards Arab or African country that people can't find on a map.

I don't think it serves any real purpose to follow into the morass of stupid that is the twitter/social media sphere, in a forum style site that is more suitable to thoughtful argument.

If you really feel the need to do "victim/outrage of the day"; twitter really is much more appropriate; and is just packed with material suitable for that exercise.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'Y')all need to chill,

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'Y')all need to chill, none of us on this thread own the editorial rights to PO.. We don't get to make rules one way or another. I do agree, that the format of Six's postings tend to overwhelm a thread making conversation difficult or impossible because he usually posts multiple times simultaneously, pushing other content off the page, as opposed to combining content so that his voice is just one of many.

[radon1]

Another explosion nearby Lugansk

RAW: Blasts cause massive blaze in residential area near Lugansk

http://youtu.be/n2D-2O7EixU

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irefighters tackled a blaze in the town of Stakhanov located on the fringes of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR). Damage to a residential neighborhood was caused by multiple incoming mortars reportedly fired from Ukrainian Army positions. No casualties were reported. A gas pipeline in the area was also ruptured by the blasts and subsequently ignited.

[AgentR11]

Well.. passport thing... Ruskie side has a point. Those passports that were in his hand, can not be from active duty Russian military personnel. Unless Ukraine forces raided some office building in Rostov or something. So, either Poroshenko is a moron, and doesn't know he's waving something around on camera that isn't what he's saying it is; or he's a deceitful predator lying to try and trick Western Europeans into bleeding for his corrupt piggy bank. Either fits the character of the man as far as I'm concerned. Course, he could be both a moron, and deceitful...

And six, you'd irritate people much less on these threads, if you'd glue some of yours together into a single, so that your posts don't comprise the majority of the posts on a particular page. Conversation works best in forums, when lots of people are conversing, and not one person just lecturing at everyone.

[radon1]

Guardian is following earlier NYT line - a shift may be occurring in mass media and elsewhere

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... are_btn_tw

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rming Ukraine army may escalate conflict, west warned

OCSE chief says supplying weapons to Kiev government forces might push Russians to take more direct role in Ukraine

The head of the international organisation monitoring the conflict in Ukraine has said pro-Moscow separatists are constantly being re-armed, but warned that for western states to supply weapons to the Ukrainian army would risk an expansion of the war.

Lamberto Zannier, secretary general of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OCSE), issued the warning at the Munich security conference where the debate over supplying arms to Kiev has pitted eastern European states and US members of Congress against Germany, the UK and other western European countries. The Obama administration says it has not made up its mind.

Zannier said he supported reform and non-lethal support of the Ukrainian army, but saw huge problems in supplying lethal weaponry.

[radon1]

http://sputniknews.com/military/2015020 ... 83131.html

Stoltenberg Says Each NATO State Must Decide on Kiev Lethal Aid on Its Own

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')MOSCOW (Sputnik) – NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has announced that each member of the alliance must make an independent decision on the supply of weapons to the Kiev government, which continues to fight independence supporters in southeastern Ukraine, the DPA news agency reports.

[radon1]

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45474

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday at 9:20 am

9.2.15. Situation report from the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Donetsk Republic

"Ukrainian punitive forces that night made a powerful artillery strike on the Donetsk chemical plant in the Kuibyshev district of Donetsk. The fire was localized. No danger of the release of chemicals into the atmosphere exists. Most likely, a heavy artillery shell of enhanced power was used. According to preliminary information, no victims were reported at the plant."

From the militia: "After midnight, shelling continued for a long time in Donetsk. From a point near Gornyak, nazis fired from cannon artillery, shelling Krasnogorovka. In the Kuibyshev disctrict area, houses in the area Donbasskabel and substation were under attack. Zorinsk underwent powerful shelling by the Ukrainian forces too. According to local residents, houses and social facilities were damaged."

[radon1]

http://rt.com/news/230459-donetsk-explo ... -shelling/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')uge explosion at Donetsk chemical plant, military ‘don’t know what they hit’ (VIDEO)

[radon1]

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015 ... WA.twitter

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Kiev’s Bloody War Is Backfiring

When Ukrainian army officers came to the Ukrainian village of Velikaya Znamenka to tell the men to prepare to be drafted, they weren’t prepared for what happened next. As the commanding officer was speaking, a woman seized the microphone and proceeded to tell him off: "We’re sick of this war! Our husbands and sons aren’t going anywhere!" She then launched into a passionate speech, denouncing the war, and the coup leaders in Kiev, to the cheers of the crowd.

[Donetsk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '@') Donetsk

Precisely what are you fighting for. Given your dismantling of a social order we will all have to devolve to if we are to survive, just where are you fellows from a recently circular social order wanting to be? Have you thought about this and where it may take your kids and grandkids? Is the attraction of Western style consumerism that seductive?

[radon1]

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45494

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday at 11:10 (local time)

9.2.15. Situation report by Edward Basurin, Donetsk Republic's spokesman

"During the day, Ukrainian punitive forces shelled the towns of the Donetsk Republic 66 times, and 36 attacks were registered at night. Among the civilians, 2 people were killed and 22 injured - 20 of them in Donetsk, and the rest in Makeyevka and Gorlovka. 56 facts of the destruction of infrastructure were registered. The invaders use system "Smerch" (pictured). The shelling of the plant of chemical products in Donetsk left several people wounded. We are talking about the civilians living in the vicinity of the plant. The territory is under investigation. It is possible that the factory was hit by a tactical missile "Tochka-U". There are suspicions that the target could have been the area of airport. But if it turns out that this was an artillery system, then it would have been a purposeful destruction of infrastructure, industrial facilities. You've seen firsthand what's the value of the words of peace that the President of Ukraine repeats in all his speeches. The city was once again devastated, we do not need such kind of "peace". The Donetsk army continues to counterattack to push off the Ukranian punitive forces from the cities and towns. The enemy losses during the night were 13 dead and 20 wounded, 3 units of 120-mm mortars and three cars were destroyed. "

[radon1]

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... Bnews%255D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he MEDIA learned about the extended Merkel ultimatum to Putin

Artem Filipenok

Angela Merkel offered Russian President Vladimir Putin to agree to the peace plan in Ukraine, developed by the German Chancellor and the French President, until Wednesday. Otherwise, Russia will face new EU sanctions.

[radon1]

http://redpilltimes.com/wikileaks-docs- ... informant/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')lassified documents published by Wikileaks shows that Ukraine's President Poroshenko was in fact an American informant, stirring up trouble long before the Maidan coup

[radon1]

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45520

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday at 13:31

9.2.15. Situational Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Donetsk Republic

"During the fighting in the Debaltseve direction, Donetsk Republic forces took full control of the town Logvinova on February 9 at 9:25. This town is directly adjacent to the road from Debaltseve on Artemovsk. Currently, this strategic route to carry the supply of ammunition and equipment the Ukrainian groups surrounded in Debaltseve, completely blocked by Donetsk army units. Fortifications and checkpoints have been set up in order to prevent a breakthrough of the armed forces of Ukraine via the road. Debaltseve cauldron can be considered officially closed."

[radon1]

Punitive operation in Ukraine should be stopped — Putin

http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/776281

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')OSCOW, February 9. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin said he is convinced that in order to settle the crisis in Ukraine, Kiev should urgently stop its military operation in the country’s south-east and work out such a form of constitutional arrangement that would suit all Ukrainians.

[Tanada]

To everyone posting in this and the other russian/ukraine threads. Complaining about moderation in any open thread is begging to get yourself banned, if you have a question or concern use the PM system, that is why it is there.

If you use foul language on one another or anyone else your posts are subject to deletion or editing depending on the extent. If you post more than two messages in sequence you might get a warning for flooding, complaints on this issue have been accumulating.

I just dug a bunch of posts that fit into those categories out of this thread, which takes time I would far rather be using for other things. Play nice or do not play at all. Nobody is restricted from posting news item with a URL and a SHORT comment about it on this thread. Multiple LONG comments in sequence are subject to removal without further warning. This is a highly emotional issue and tempers can run high so we have been making allowances, but there are limits to those boundaries and some of you are dancing on the line.

Behave or we shall ban discussion of the Russia/Ukraine from the board, this is a place for discussing PEAK OIL not civil/uncivil war.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'B')ehave or we shall ban discussion of the Russia/Ukraine from the board, this is a place for discussing PEAK OIL not civil/uncivil war.