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THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby shallow sand » Fri 07 Nov 2014, 13:07:27

Continental showed average differential on crude of $11.77 for third quarter 2014. They didn't break it down between Northern region and OK region, however it appears that about 75% of oil came from Northern region. Assuming they receive $3 per bbl less than NYMEX WTI in OK, it appears their differential is between $14-$15 per bbl on Northern region crude, which is almost all Bakken. Continental being one of the largest volume producers in the Bakken, likely gets the best volume bonus. Therefore, I would say using no more than $4 per bbl over the Plains posted price from their price bulletins is probably accurate. Whether they are picking up any extra through gathering efforts, I do not know. However, if anyone has better information on this than me, please let me know.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sat 08 Nov 2014, 00:58:56

I read recently that something like 20% of the oil refineries in Washington state (where I live) are processing these days comes from ND. I doubt producers in ND are getting the same price from refineries in Washington as they are from, say, refineries in Texas, where there is already a glut of light, sweet crude thanks to production in the Eagleford and Permian.

Granted, shipping costs to Washington are probably higher than to Texas, but I would think it would still be more profitable to ship to Washington.

On the east coast, refineries are paying Brent-eque prices for Bakken crude:
http://www.platts.com/IM.Platts.Content ... -north.pdf
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ail deliveries of Bakken Blend to the US Atlantic Coast were 210,000 b/d at the end of 2013 and could be as much as 350,000 b/d by end of 2014, according to Bentek. Some of these shipments, in a departure from standard practices for domestic crudes, have been sold on a Brent-related basis, as these barrels are competing with Brent-related imports.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Synapsid » Sat 08 Nov 2014, 16:00:53

Oh, copious, you've done it now--mentioned Washington refineries. How could you? ROCKMAN will be here any minute.

And I was enjoying a sunny morning.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby shallow sand » Wed 12 Nov 2014, 17:51:21

We may get to see how the Bakken fairs in a lower price environment. Without a doubt it has been a surprising run up to over 1 million bbl per day. It, along with the Eagle Ford and Permian production could be victims of their own success. As we continue down in oil price, I assume Bakken will be the first to cut back due to the transportation costs in relation to Texas. The recent expansion of production in CO & WY will also likely hit a bump before Eagle Ford & Permian.

Is there anyone working in the Bakken who visits this site? Would be interested in your comments given the fall in crude prices.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby JohnnyOnTheFarm » Thu 13 Nov 2014, 20:43:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shallow sand', 'W')e may get to see how the Bakken fairs in a lower price environment. Without a doubt it has been a surprising run up to over 1 million bbl per day. It, along with the Eagle Ford and Permian production could be victims of their own success.


The oil and gas industry often is. The boom bust cycles have been going on for quite some time now, it must be hell on personnel.

Hand out the right price, and the oil and gas boys and girls are among the best at rustling up some Texas tea!!!

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')As we continue down in oil price, I assume Bakken will be the first to cut back due to the transportation costs in relation to Texas. The recent expansion of production in CO & WY will also likely hit a bump before Eagle Ford & Permian.


During the 2008 price drop, new wells spudded per month dropped about 50%. It took about 5 months to clean out the completion backlog and for absolute oil volumes to drop. They are spudding what, like 200 wells a month now? That is a pretty substantial drop in rig activity and new wells if this price drop causes a similar reduction in activity.

Ultimately, this kind of shakeup in price is a good thing for producers, they will concentrate on best prospects, might ring some cost concessions out of suppliers, will give everyone some pause as to the power of the swing producer is demonstrated and give folks some food for thought when it comes to macro economic issues....yep...pretty good thing all around (spoken as someone not minding the consumer benefits either of course).
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 14 Nov 2014, 00:11:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')ltimately, this kind of shakeup in price is a good thing for producers,

It really depends on how deep the price drop goes. Some drop is good as it does clean out the high cost, less than attentive producers. If the drop goes too far what happens is it impacts those small independents who were the ones that made the shale plays work in the first place...they knew how to cut costs which is probably the most important part of making the shale plays profitable. If it goes too deep then those really great small producers become a target for the big companies who have large enough war chests they can weather two or three years of low prices. They come in buy up the little guys for a song and then apply their big company mentality which can be summed up as "problem....throw money at it" philosophy. Note the poor performance to this point in time of the majors in the shale plays....they can't help their nature. Sure way to destroy an industry.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby shallow sand » Fri 14 Nov 2014, 01:48:13

Its not just how low, but for how long. 2008-2009 happened pretty fast compared to 1986-1998. I hope it is the former.
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Lynn Helms says Bakken flatlines @ $65

Unread postby Pops » Mon 12 Jan 2015, 11:00:43

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')A stark breakdown from North Dakota projecting how falling oil prices could affect production was formulated using proprietary corporate data and a state official’s personal model.

Late last Thursday, the Department of Mineral Resources caused a stir in world oil markets by releasing slides from a presentation to the state legislature that included a range of output forecasts based on different oil price scenarios, including one showing production would begin to decline by the middle of this year if crude prices remained at current levels.

The projections presented by Lynn Helms, head of the state’s energy regulatory agency, cut to the quick of a pivotal question for global oil traders and executives: How quickly will U.S. shale producers, particularly those in the booming Bakken of North Dakota, respond to the collapse in oil prices?

While consultants and analysts have been frantically reviewing and updating their own “cost curve” models, attempting to predict a potential turning point in the market at which shale growth will begin to stall and oil markets stabilize, this was the first such forecast from the heartland of fracking – and it appeared to be markedly more pessimistic than many.

Most analysts expect U.S. oil production to continue growing this year, powered partly by the Bakken, even if prices remain low. But Helms’ analysis suggested North Dakota production would flatline at around 1.2 million barrels per day (bpd) even at a $65 a barrel wellhead price, which translates into around $75 for U.S. futures that are now below $50.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/ ... P020150112

Here is the presentation:
https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/presentat ... 010815.pdf
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Re: Lynn Helms says Bakken flatlines @ $65

Unread postby Subjectivist » Mon 12 Jan 2015, 11:30:25

That pretty much lines up with what several of the members here have been predicting. Easy money lead to crazy junk bond drilling boom that is unsupportable under $75-80 a barrel WTI.
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Re: Lynn Helms says Bakken flatlines @ $65

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 12 Jan 2015, 13:25:51

I think you need to look at the presentation. Whether one agrees with it or not it is suggesting that a substantial amount of ND shale breakeven at prices of $50 or less. The drop in daily production forecast to 2017 is significant at $50 but looks like there is still activity.

The author doesn't show how he came up with his breakeven price scenario so difficult to verify.
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Re: Lynn Helms says Bakken flatlines @ $65

Unread postby Pops » Mon 12 Jan 2015, 17:32:21

The EIA is forecasting $63/bbl WTI this year and Ron @ PeakOilBarrel made this chart from their short term outlook forecast ...

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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Beery1 » Sun 01 Feb 2015, 12:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'H')ere was a really funny one. We're two years into your 3-year timeline!
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ver the next three years, I'm getting a big bowl of popcorn and I'm going to watch the cornies backpedalling and denying as their dreams of abundance and energy independence evaporate. It's going to be awesome! I wonder how they'll spin it when their fantasies are laid bare?


Maybe you shouldn't get too excited - it's not 31 July 2015 yet. Maybe on 1 August 2015 you can start crowing. But until then, while your ejaculations are not quite as premature as they might have been if you'd said the same on 1 August 2012, they're still a bit premature. After all, if the cornies start backpedalling in full force on July 31 2015, I'll still be right.

And it's not as if we haven't seen the beginnings of it. After all, all this talk of "peak demand" is just cornie backpedalling.


So how is the Bakken doing now, as we go into 2015? Are the cornies backpedaling yet? Somehow, I think not, even though it's becoming pretty clear that the Bakken bubble is on the verge of collapse.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sun 01 Feb 2015, 14:05:17

Found two sources for recent Bakken production because Beery made my curiosity bump itch.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil production in the North Dakota section of the Bakken shale formation of the Williston Basin averaged 1.2 million b/d in December, Bentek data showed. This was 296,000 b/d higher than levels seen in December 2013.

From; http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 21617.html

Secondly I found production stats for Bakken up through November 2014,
https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/stats/his ... lstats.pdf

From the table at the second link Bakkan production in December 2013 was down half a million barrels a day from November 2013. Saying production was up 296,000 over December 2013 would still be a number seriously lower than November 2014.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 02 Feb 2015, 16:32:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', 'S')o how is the Bakken doing now, as we go into 2015? Are the cornies backpedaling yet? Somehow, I think not, even though it's becoming pretty clear that the Bakken bubble is on the verge of collapse.

Uhh, in case you haven't noticed, the price of oil has been crashing lately. As predicted.

Or maybe you also haven't been paying attention to this?

It's kinda funny a doomer thinks crashing oil prices are a sign of scarcity. :lol:
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http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 02 Feb 2015, 16:38:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'F')ound two sources for recent Bakken production because Beery made my curiosity bump itch.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil production in the North Dakota section of the Bakken shale formation of the Williston Basin averaged 1.2 million b/d in December, Bentek data showed. This was 296,000 b/d higher than levels seen in December 2013.

From; http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 21617.html

Secondly I found production stats for Bakken up through November 2014,
https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/stats/his ... lstats.pdf

From the table at the second link Bakkan production in December 2013 was down half a million barrels a day from November 2013. Saying production was up 296,000 over December 2013 would still be a number seriously lower than November 2014.

Huh? Your 2nd link says ND Bakken production in November was 1,123,304 bpd. If that rose to 1.2 million in December that would be a big month-over-month increase.

But I suspect Bentek is talking about *all* ND production, not just Bakken. That number in November would be 1,187,206 bpd. So 1.2 million, if confirmed by the NDIC in a couple weeks, would be a small increase.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 13 Feb 2015, 16:27:05

Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby shallow sand » Mon 16 Feb 2015, 02:54:27

I guess in a conference call about the Feb, 2015 directors cut, Lynn Helms stated that ND production might plateau soon if well drilling and completions continue to slow.

The Williston Basin, along with the Permian, Eagle Ford shale and some others, has transformed the US onshore oil industry, just as the Marcellus and other areas have natural gas. Now the companies in these areas are victims of their own success, to quote Harold Hamm.

Even in places where wells are economic at $50 oil and $2.50 gas, the operators there cannot be happy with current prices. Reductions in costs will not make up for the large decrease in revenue. Several months ago, KSA officials started to rumble that US and Canada would need to cut production. It appears that may happen. 2015 will be interesting.
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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Subjectivist » Fri 24 Apr 2015, 12:05:06

A new piece by Financial Times, much more at link below. Not really sure what to make of it, what do you folks in the industry think?
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he price fall has been like a bucket of cold water in the face for Williston and other oil boom towns, waking them up from the frenzy of the past half-decade to a more sober reality. The US oil industry is battling to adapt and survive in these new harsher conditions. The future of world oil markets and, hence, of the world economy, hangs on its success.
The ‘Apple of oil’
Mark Papa remembers the precise moment he decided the American oil renaissance had to happen. Avuncular and mildly spoken, he is the antithesis of the stereotypical two-fisted Texas oilman. But the company he led until the end of 2013, EOG Resources, has been one of the great success stories of the boom, dubbed “the Apple of oil” by the analyst Paul Sankey because of its ability to translate innovation into a profitable business.
EOG came from the most unpromising of beginnings. Its original name was Enron Oil & Gas Company and, until 1999, it was majority owned by Enron, the fraudulent energy group that collapsed in 2001. Having secured EOG’s independence just in time, though, Papa led it to a strong position in the fast-growing shale gas industry.
Innovations driven by an industry veteran called George Mitchell had made it possible for the first time to produce gas at commercially viable rates from formations such as the Barnett Shale of north Texas. EOG was an early adopter of the technology, discovering abundant reserves of shale gas that would provide fuel for power generation and heating, and raw materials for the petrochemicals industry. Unfortunately, many other companies were doing the same.
“The amounts of shale gas that were being uncovered [in 2002-06] were just astonishing,” says Papa, now a partner at the private equity firm Riverstone Holdings. “It was very obvious that there had been just a huge breakthrough in technology, and the amounts of commercial gas available in North America were absolutely mind-boggling.”

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Re: THE Bakken Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 25 Apr 2015, 13:12:03

According to the EIA,
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbblpd_m.htm

North Dakota (esp. Bakken) oil production was 1,190 kbpd in January.

I'll wait a few more months and see if it's time to start a "Declining Production in N. Dakota" thread. :twisted:
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