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THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

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Re: Savinar On The Radio Saturday

Postby Petro » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 11:53:52

I was just going to whine and ask if anyone knows where I could listen to a replay (I fell asleep the first 30 mins doh!), but I don't know. Its sounds like a dissappointing show? What the hell was Hogie doing there anyway? It might as well have been David Ike.
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Got an extra 10 to 20 Trillion $$$$$

Postby SD_Scott » Mon 12 Dec 2005, 22:58:30

On page seven of his latest, Matt mentions the figure 10 to 20 trillion. It's the report labeled "investing in an uncertain energy future".




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Re: Got an extra 10 to 20 Trillion $$$$$

Postby Geko45 » Mon 12 Dec 2005, 23:24:37

Nevermind.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby Keith_McClary » Fri 19 Dec 2014, 12:01:40

Comment on the Archdruid blog
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')att Savinar said...
JMG,

nice post.

don't know what to make of this and I may be too conspiratorial but the WSJ sent out a reporter to interview me the other day, was very interested in me being an astrologer and fracking.

seemed very strange since my PO site (LATOC) has been defunct for four years now

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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby ennui2 » Fri 19 Dec 2014, 21:16:30

I'm sure he's thrilled that someone remembers him enough to feel that it's newsworthy to post a "where are they now" thread-bump. But clearly the guy has moved on, just like a lot of us.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby Loki » Sat 20 Dec 2014, 00:41:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I')'m sure he's thrilled that someone remembers him enough to feel that it's newsworthy to post a "where are they now" thread-bump. But clearly the guy has moved on, just like a lot of us.

Meh, I found it mildly amusing. That's why I stay here. For the mild amusement.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby dashster » Sat 20 Dec 2014, 04:40:10

Sounds like the WSJ could be ready to "debunk the Peak Oil theory" again. The biggest thing the "debunkers" offer is past failed predictions with regard to oil production, as their proof of the Infinite Oil theory.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby dolanbaker » Sat 20 Dec 2014, 08:12:55

The fact is that most "peak oil" debunkers assume that technology and investment will always provide the goods and growth will continue. So far they've been correct, but recently it's becoming clear that the high price also kills growth. It will be very interesting to see how things play out when the high priced oil leaves the market and we're left with a declining supply of the cheaper stuff.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby dashster » Sat 20 Dec 2014, 11:14:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'T')he fact is that most "peak oil" debunkers assume that technology and investment will always provide the goods and growth will continue. So far they've been correct...


They haven't been correct on price. They saw oil at low prices all the way out to 2030 10 years ago. I also don't remember them touting "tight oil" and fracking 10 years ago. They foresaw plenty of conventional for decades. The IEA had linear graphs with production rising to 120 million barrels a day in 2030.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby dolanbaker » Sat 20 Dec 2014, 16:09:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dashster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'T')he fact is that most "peak oil" debunkers assume that technology and investment will always provide the goods and growth will continue. So far they've been correct..but recently it's becoming clear that the high price also kills growth..


They haven't been correct on price. They saw oil at low prices all the way out to 2030 10 years ago. I also don't remember them touting "tight oil" and fracking 10 years ago. They foresaw plenty of conventional for decades. The IEA had linear graphs with production rising to 120 million barrels a day in 2030.

Which is precisely why I mentioned the fact that the high price has killed demand.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby dashster » Sat 20 Dec 2014, 16:24:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dashster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'T')he fact is that most "peak oil" debunkers assume that technology and investment will always provide the goods and growth will continue. So far they've been correct..but recently it's becoming clear that the high price also kills growth..


They haven't been correct on price. They saw oil at low prices all the way out to 2030 10 years ago. I also don't remember them touting "tight oil" and fracking 10 years ago. They foresaw plenty of conventional for decades. The IEA had linear graphs with production rising to 120 million barrels a day in 2030.

Which is precisely why I mentioned the fact that the high price has killed demand.


If the high price is killing demand, how can the Cornucopians be "so far correct"? It would seem that they have been incorrect. Technology and investment were not able to always provide the goods in a way that growth will continue.
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Re: THE Matt Savinar Thread (merged)

Postby dolanbaker » Sat 20 Dec 2014, 18:20:40

They are correct in the fact that oil production has increased, the fact that it costs considerably more to extract is conveniently swept under the carpet. The thing to remember is that the target audience for most of these articles are in the higher income groups and will never experience "fuel poverty".

It is the consumers who do suffer fuel poverty who stop buying when the price goes above a certain level and it is many others who cut back on consumption.
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