[fossil_fuel]

i doubt any of this will be necessary.

I feel that there's a good chance that at some point during the course of my life, the US gov't will collapse due to itself. No revolution necessary.

[Hawkcreek]

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[highlander]

While debating who is most responsible for the demise of "America", please keep in mind there is nothing conservative about the current administration. If we could form a party of old time democrats and real conservatives, both the neo-cons and liberals would be out on their ears.
We need to quit re-electing congressmen and senators that blindly follow party-line votes. Until we do, we have to lay a lot of the blame on ourselves.
I have been assured that when the line is crossed, there are a lot of veterans that are locked and loaded. I think another Ruby Ridge or Waco might just be that line.

[I_Like_Plants]

I'm all for hanging all Dems, old and new, but old-time Conservatives are what we need to save this country.

[I_Like_Plants]

I'm all for hanging all Dems, old and new, but old-time Conservatives are what we need to save this country.

[hysteresis]

I guess jesus was a liberal. People like him are responsible for all that is wrong in the US.

# Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)
# Blessed are the meek: for they shall posses the land. (Verse 4)
# Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)
# Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)
# Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)
# Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)
# Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)
# Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)

[PhilBiker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here is the line?

[I_Like_Plants]

There is absolutely no intersection point between Jesus and modern liberals.

I like Jesus's violence in throwing the moneylenders (Jews) out of the temple, and his statements about Jews in general, wonderful stuff!! Some intersection between Jesus and Hitler there! (being sarcastic, but really, read what Jesus did and said before you go saying he was peaceful all the time)

[gary_malcolm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'O')K now I'm going to DISAGREE with SpecOp. The Weimar Republic was an utter clusterfuck. And Hitler was a HUGE improvement.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', '.')..please keep in mind there is nothing conservative about the current administration.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gary_malcolm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'O')K now I'm going to DISAGREE with SpecOp. The Weimar Republic was an utter clusterfuck. And Hitler was a HUGE improvement.

[Macsporan]

I too agree with Specop although I have a slightly different take on it.

To me the thing that has weakened the moral fibre of the Western World is not so much liberals as the corporate mass media.

This has been achieived in a number of ways.

The first is by feeding people a non-stop diet of fear: "the young black males, the hippies, the criminals, the arabs, the right-wing militias, the KKK, the Peak Oilers, the Martians, the Daleks, are going to break into your house one night and kill you."

Decades of this fear-mongering is deeply demoralizing and by spreading hopelessness and distrust of others makes effective combinations against the overbearing state and its corporate masters harder to bring about.

This no doubt is the intent.

The second way is by the use of mass advertising to turn people from indigant citizens into pampered, passive consumers. Advertising tells people that a soft, easy life is their birthright and focusses them on attaining it. It also pushes the subliminal message that "everything is basically all right."

What could make people less suited for collective political agitation than this?

Finally by discovering how to manipulate people mass advertising has provided a means by which the politicians can get people to accept almost any lie they want to spin.

It is a cliche that politicians are sold like soap-powder but few realise just how insideous this truly is. You don't need secret police and concentration camps any more, you just colonise weaken and degrade the popular mind with continuous consumerist propaganda and fear-mongering.

Welcome to Friendly Facism, corporate style.

Coming to a country near you.

[highlander]

How about this line? When the supreme law of the land considers corporations profits to be more important than constitutional given rights protecting your property rights

News article
The Supreme Court today effectively expanded the right of local governments to seize private property under eminent domain, ruling that people's homes and businesses -- even those not considered blighted -- can be taken against their will for private development if the seizure serves a broadly defined "public use."

In a 5-4 decision, the court upheld the ability of New London, Conn., to seize people's homes to make way for an office, residential and retail complex supporting a new $300 million research facility of the Pfizer pharmaceutical company. The city had argued that the project served a public use within the meaning of the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution because it would increase tax revenues, create jobs and improve the local economy.

[k_semler]

My toes are now 1mm from the line. Just a simple flexing of the toes will put me on the line, and a flexing of the calf muscle crosses the line.

[Macsporan]

It would seem that the latest Supreme Court outrage, the one enabling the state to sieze your home to build another Walmart, should be enough to send you across the line.

However don't believe Kuntsler when he says that the Federal government will be unable to do anything more than answer the phones after PO.

The old beast won't be that easy to kill and if you attempt armed resistance you'll be flushed from your bunker with tear gas and gunned down in your own veggie garden.

However if you want to become and eco-terrorist your services will definitely be needed.

Just try not to kill anyone. Crimes against corporate property are fine, but you will have to be very secretive, very organised and have very good lawyer.

Eco-terrorism won't win on its own but the fear of dark barely controlled forces coiling and writhing in the background will certainly provide leaverage for mainstream green activists to get their way in negotiations.

Gerry Hand played this game successfully for years with the IRA/Sien Fein combo.

Go for it. We need tough-minded warriors on our side, but be prepared to do some time in Gitmo or some other part of the new gulag.

Specop has said that such things do not daunt him.

I hope the same is true for you.

For your courage and commitment, much thanks

[0mar]

We have people who would rather live in abject poverty than die for something they believe in.

That is the main problem. We, as a society, fear death utterly. We would rather live in a shithole than die trying to save or reform it. We have become placated. We have no will, as Nietschze would put it.

[ubercrap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')'m all for hanging all Dems, old and new, but old-time Conservatives are what we need to save this country.

[turmoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '.')..old-time Conservatives are what we need to save this country.