by copious.abundance » Wed 23 Jul 2014, 21:09:02
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you notice the residential projects are geared towards the high end demographic...Gentrification is not going to bring Detroit back to where it was.
Detroit used to be one of the, if not
the, wealthiest big cities in the US. Back 50-80 years ago it
was a highly gentrified and middle-class city.
This is from the March, 1929 National Geographic, in an article about Michigan. Notice the section caption, "A CITY WITHOUT SLUMS"

If you go through Google street view and explore all the residential streets of the city you can tell it used to be that way - huge swaths of middle-class bungalows and, particularly in the older sections, some really nice upper-end houses (or, what obviously
used to be upper-end housing). So yes, gentrification can help it bring it back to where it was, because it
was a gentrified city at one point.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou have whole city blocks around the downtown center that are wastelands of abandoned and rotting middle class homes.
So your solution is to leave them as wastelands of abandoned and rotting middle class homes? What kind of nonsense is that?
The thing Detroit NEEDS most of all right now is wealthy and middle class people, because right now they're sorely lacking in them. Wealthy people will bring in additional tax revenue, which will give the city more funds to help the poor. Along with that they need all the gentrification and fancy real estate developments they can get, because that, too, will create additional tax revenue, create jobs, etc., etc. Not developing the city is only going to make things worse;
developing the city is the only thing that will make it better.
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by copious.abundance » Wed 23 Jul 2014, 22:01:39
Metro Detroit among top ten areas of U.S for job growth, study says$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')uly 02, 2014 - Since the recession some U.S metros have become more competitive in attracting their shares of the overall jobs added to the labor force, and Metro Detroit is among the top ten metros in the country on this front.
So says an analysis by CareerBuilder and Economic Modeling Specialists Intl., which used “shift share” analysis, or separating regional jobs trends from national ones, to reach the results.
The study from CareerBuilder and EMSI looked at the 50 most populous U.S. metros and their total job growth from 2010 to 2013, when overall U.S. job growth was at 4 percent.
Each metro area’s job growth was then compared to national job growth trends, the difference being each metro’s job competitiveness of lack thereof.
The CareerBuilder/EMSI study found that Metro Detroit had a total employment of about 1.9 million jobs in 2013, after adding 125,330 jobs from 2010 to 2013. To keep pace with the national average, it would have had to have added 89,148 jobs.
The sectors driving Metro Detroit’s competitiveness? Motor vehicle production, engineering services and temporary help work. Houston, Texas, led the top 50 metros for job competitiveness.
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by copious.abundance » Wed 23 Jul 2014, 23:26:40
Here, this is
in the city of Detroit.
GM to add 1,400 Michigan jobs with new Chevrolet Volt on the way$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20140405&Category=BUSINESS0101&ArtNo=304050048&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&GM-add-1-400-Michigan-jobs-new-Chevrolet-Volt-way[/img]
April 5, 2014
General Motors is expected to announce Tuesday that it is investing $450 million and adding 1,400 jobs to two Michigan operations —
including a facility located partially in Detroit, where the automaker plans to build a redesigned Chevrolet Volt.
The company’s plans include a second shift at its Detroit-Hamtramck plant, where the automaker currently makes the Chevrolet Malibu, Chevy Impala, Cadillac ELR, Chevy Volt and foreign versions of these cars.
GM also plans to invest in its smaller Brownstown Township manufacturing plant, where the company currently produces batteries for the Volt.
Gerald Johnson, GM’s vice president of North America manufacturing, is expected to reveal details of the investments at an Automotive Press Association luncheon Tuesday in Detroit. Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan and Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder have been invited to attend.
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GM employs 1,629 workers at the 3.6 million-square-foot Detroit-Hamtramck plant, including 1,436 represented by UAW Local 22. The automaker employs 100 workers represented by UAW Local 174 at the 406,000-square-foot Brownstown facility.
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by copious.abundance » Wed 23 Jul 2014, 23:37:28
In Pontiac, just to the north (also a poor city, I might add). Some of those closed GM facilities are already starting to see new uses.
Michigan-based supplier to invest up to $50M in Pontiac facility$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20140527&Category=AUTO01&ArtNo=305270075&Ref=AR&Profile=1361&MaxW=200&Border=0&Michigan-based-supplier-invest-up-50M-Pontiac-facility[/img]
MAY 27, 2014-
A Michigan-based automotive supplier plans to invest up to $50 million in a new automotive components assembly facility in Pontiac, creating 450 new jobs at the site of a former General Motors plant.
Challenge Manufacturing Co., based in Walker, plans to build a 400,000-square-foot facility in Pontiac at 2100 S. Opdyke. The site, formerly the General Motors Pontiac East Assembly Plant, closed in 2009.
Pontiac has faced economic and employment blows over the past several years, as GM and others have closed factories, affecting thousands of people.
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Warren is also just north of the city ...
GM to add 1,750 jobs, invest $800 million in Michigan$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')uly 22, 2014 -
General Motors is planning to add as many as 1,750 jobs at its technical center in Warren and invest an additional $800 million in Michigan in the coming years, according to Michael Finney, CEO of the Michigan Economic Development Corp.
GM declined to say when the jobs would be filled.
The Michigan Strategic Fund, an arm of the development corporation, revised a tax credit for GM today and incentives for two Chinese manufacturers that are investing in the state — H.A. Automotive Systems and YanFeng Automotive.
GM has added or retained 33,000 jobs under an original tax agreement reached with the state in 2009.
“GM, as well as Ford and Chrysler, have over the last few years continued to invest very heavily in Michigan,” Finney said. The revised tax credit enables GM to add jobs, most likely at its technical center in Warren.
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by copious.abundance » Wed 23 Jul 2014, 23:52:31
In the service sector ... Highland Park is surrounded by the city of Detroit, so it's essentially "in" the city itself.
Highland Park company Dialog Direct to hire 300 new employees$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')uly 17, 2014 - Dialog Direct, a fast-growing marketing and call-center company, plans to hire 300 new employees at its Highland Park headquarters.
About 250 of the new jobs are for licensed and non-licensed health insurance sales and service representatives who are paid from $21,000 to $33,000 a year. The company said it also will be hiring managers who earn $50,000 or more.
“We’re looking for people who are friendly, energetic and engaging over the phone to handle inbound customer service calls,” said Dialog Direct Chief Operations Officer Rob Hyman. “We’ll provide comprehensive subject matter content and coach the team on ways to deliver the ideal customer experience with every call.
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Scattered around the metro area ...
AT&T Hiring Nearly 100 In Michigan$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')uly 2, 2014 - AT&T is looking for job candidates to fill newly created positions, and current openings, throughout Michigan.
The company will be filling 95 jobs, including 59 new jobs, in areas including call center staffing, retail opportunities and technicians.
“AT&T continues to expand its customer base in Michigan and invest in our network to ensure we are providing the high level of service customers have come to expect,” said Jim Murray, president of AT&T Michigan in a release.
Positions are available in 32 communities in the state, with multiple opportunities in Macomb, Oakland and Wayne counties, the company stated.
In suburban Troy, north of the city ...
S&P Data bringing 420 jobs to metro Detroit$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ul 17 2014 - S&P Data LLC is expanding to Troy with support from the Michigan Strategic Fund bringing in nearly $4.4 million and adding up to 420 new jobs.
“S&P Data’s investment means Michigan residents will find good job opportunities that could well have gone to other states,” said Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder. “Michigan is America’s comeback state and this expansion is another demonstration that we have changed Michigan in ways that now means more and better jobs and greater prosperity.”
S&P Data Michigan, LLC, is a new subsidiary of S&P Data LLC – which has been in operation since 2006 in Ontario, Cleveland and San Diego – providing contact center solutions to Fortune 500 companies in the United States and Canada.
The parent company plans to expand in Michigan to service newly acquired contracts from two major mobile companies. With its new Troy location, there will be nearly $4.4 million invested and a total of 420 new jobs created. As a result, the company has been awarded a $1 million Michigan Business Development Program performance-based grant.
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And back to the auto industry ... a good overview article. Yes, there is still a substantial auto industry in and around Detroit, and in Michigan in general, contrary to popular belief.
Auto suppliers investing billions in Michigan$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')uly 12, 2014 - Michigan's largest auto suppliers, known as Tier-1 suppliers, have announced investments of just under $5 billion and added more than 28,000 jobs from 2009-2013, according to data from the Center for Automotive Research and Michigan Economic Development Corp.'s Automotive Industry Office.
"The automotive industry is driving the comeback in the State of Michigan," said Nigel Francis, Michigan's senior automotive adviser, during a phone interview on Wednesday.
The substantial investments come even as the number of suppliers has dropped from 886 to 790 in the Great Lakes State, largely due to bigger suppliers consolidating or purchasing smaller companies during the economic downturn five years ago.
The auto suppliers' investments are in addition to the automakers' investments of roughly $14 billion in Michigan during the same four-year time period. Francis said the investments are expected to continue, as suppliers work to keep up with demand and the U.S. automotive industry drives on strong.
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by copious.abundance » Thu 24 Jul 2014, 00:02:31
This is from a couple years ago, but nonetheless, more info about new and recent auto industry hiring in and around Detroit.
Report: Chrysler Will Add 1,250 Jobs At Detroit Plants$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')1/15/12 - Chrysler plans to add up to 1,250 jobs at three Detroit-area factories as it prepares for a rise in pickup sales.
The company said Thursday that it will invest $238 million at engine plants in Detroit and suburban Trenton, Mich., and add a third shift at a pickup truck factory in nearby Warren, Mich.
The hiring is another step in Chrysler's comeback from its 2009 government-funded bankruptcy. The company, majority-owned by Italian carmaker Fiat SpA, now has about 62,200 employees worldwide, including more than 41,000 in the U.S. It is profitable again and has hired 12,000 workers since leaving bankruptcy protection in 2009.
The new hires would boost Chrysler's total employment to 63,450.
About 1,000 of the jobs will be at the Warren plant. That factory produces a newly redesigned Ram pickup and will add the third shift in March.
Another 250 jobs could come to the Mack 1 Engine Plant in Detroit, which will be retooled to make V-6 engines instead of a large V-8 made there currently. Those jobs will be added "subject to market conditions," Chrysler said in a statement.
The Trenton plant will get additional equipment so it can make a four-cylinder engine along with the V-6 that it currently produces for the Ram and other vehicles.
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by copious.abundance » Thu 24 Jul 2014, 12:59:43
You said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'G')entrification is not going to bring Detroit back to where it was.
Where Detroit "used to be" was a manufacturing economy highly dependant on the auto industry. Even the 1928 National Geographic article said so. Now that I'm showing you Detroit is in the process of getting back to "where it was," you decide to contradict yourself and suddenly tell me that's not a good thing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey come no where near what the old employment numbers were for the auto industry
Right. Notice the 1928 article said that some of these auto plants employed as many as 55,000 or 65,000 each. Nowadays an auto plant that produces the same (or more) number of vehicles as those 1928 plants are lucky if they employ 5,500 or 6,500 each. And most are in the 1,000-3,000 range. So, thanks to automation, the auto industry is never going to employ as many as it used to.
So we have a dilemma here. Since auto employment is never going to be what it was (even if it starts rising again), in order for the city to prosper we need something else. When I tell you that gentrification is going on, you complain about that, too. You don't even seem to have a solution, because no matter what happens you complain about it.
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by Lore » Thu 24 Jul 2014, 13:11:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'Y')ou said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'G')entrification is not going to bring Detroit back to where it was.
Where Detroit "used to be" was a manufacturing economy highly dependant on the auto industry. Even the 1928 National Geographic article said so. Now that I'm showing you Detroit is in the process of getting back to "where it was," you decide to contradict yourself and suddenly tell me that's not a good thing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey come no where near what the old employment numbers were for the auto industry
Right. Notice the 1928 article said that some of these auto plants employed as many as 55,000 or 65,000 each. Nowadays an auto plant that produces the same (or more) number of vehicles as those 1928 plants are lucky if they employ 5,500 or 6,500 each. And most are in the 1,000-3,000 range. So, thanks to automation, the auto industry is never going to employ as many as it used to.
So we have a dilemma here. Since auto employment is never going to be what it was (even if it starts rising again), in order for the city to prosper we need something else. When I tell you that gentrification is going on, you complain about that, too. You don't even seem to have a solution, because no matter what happens you complain about it.
Wrong, what I'm saying is Detroit, in needing to get back to where it was, needs to change the way it does business. Being a monolithic provider of autos and supportive business no longer works as a viable and stable hope for the future.
As far as a solution, how's this for a novel idea?
Detroit use to be at the forefront of innovation, productivity and worker equity. Those ideals, need not only apply to one industry. They depend on people of vision, like the great industrialist Henry Ford. Who's ideas were key in developing the middle class of the last century. Like Edison and recently Steve Jobs he gave the people what they needed not just what they wanted.
Why not make Detroit the center and capital of the alternative energy future. Everything is there to make it happen. Graph onto the University of Michigan and Michigan State for the expertise. They're right around the corner. Open factories and businesses to develop and construct better wind, solar, nuclear, battery and geothermal alternatives. Turn empty factories into shops for building light and high speed rail. Build better and cheaper ways to transport goods by land, air and sea.
That would be what is needed on the horizon and not an investment in the past.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
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by Lore » Thu 24 Jul 2014, 15:19:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'T')here are already plenty of other cities well on their way to becoming centers of alternative energies. Not everyone can do that.
There were a lot of people building autos before Henry Ford made the Model T.
Here you go! Here's a start, although I don't imagine any of the eight employees are living in any of those fancy new condos. Get a nice Detroit Coaster Bike for around $700!
http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/ ... /13067257/
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