[PrestonSturges]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... dahl-deal/

John McCain complains about this deal, reporters remind he was informed of this exact deal a couple years ago. It wasn't even secret, this was a public proposal, probably to entice the Taliban. And yes he was told it would be those five guys. Whether or not he liked the idea isn't relevant, he was told.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')“Now this idea is for an exchange of prisoners for our American fighting man. I would be inclined to support such a thing depending on a lot of the details.”
–Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), interview on CNN, Feb. 18, 2014
“We were never told that there would be an exchange of Sergeant Bergdahl for five Taliban.”
–McCain, interview on CNN, June 3, 2014

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '.')..anti-American...

[Plantagenet]

A 2012 Rolling Stone story on Bergdahl included a quote from a “senior administration official familiar with the negotiations” who said that “it could be a huge win if Obama could bring him home.” The official added, “Especially in an election year, if it’s handled properly.”

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And there it is. The BO people hoped to bring Bergdahl home "in an election year" in order to get a "huge win" that would help them win elections.

Obama apparently was happy to let Bergdahl play at being a boy-Taliban for years....but after the VA scandal the time was right for a "big win" to take the VA scandal off the front pages and help the Ds with the 2014 election year. So zip bang whiz Obama over-ruled the negotiators and ordered them to take the Taliban offer....and take it right now. No time to waste. Screw the law about notifying Congress---those poll numbers have to go up NOW! So the deal was made and the parents were taken to the Rose garden and the press was summoned and the speeches from Obama and others about Bergdahl being a "hero" were given.

But it didn't work this time. Obama and the political spin doctors who Obama has appointed to key posts in the NSA and elsewhere in his administration got lost in their own spin. The lies were a bit too much for people to take. Bergdahl clearly isn't a "hero"---he's actually a deserter and possibly even a traitor who reportedly converted to Islam and committed to jihad against his fellow soldiers. Bergdahl didn't serve with "honor and distinction"---he deserted and put his fellow soldiers' lives at risk, which is discreditable and dishonorable. The Taliban and Al Qaida supporters who were released clearly aren't restricted in any way from resuming their little jihads. And the war in Afghanistan isn't really over....our troops are still dying and this little political farce just put them in more danger.


Which of these people have sworn that they are on jihad against America?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')ey Six, you seem to be having trouble with that latest Fascist talking point. Here you go, the dolchstosslegende in the original German:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

[Sixstrings]

And another thing..

Liberals aren't even consistent to their own values, they can't ever get past the fact that the US army may have made things better somewhere, in the end.

These are FACTS, the US ARMY really did "nation build" in Afghanistan. US spent a lot of money and has done a lot for them.

Berghdahl GAVE UP and deserted TOO SOON to see the progress! He should have just focused on his mission.

Here is the FACT:

Things are better in Afghanistan now with the Taliban gone, and we have done more to change Afghans than the ancient Greeks or the Brits or the Russians ever did.

They are making real progress.
They have fair elections now, and women can vote.

Don't you liberals care about womens' rights? That's headed in the right direction now, finally, don't you liberals know how HORRIBLE it was for women in Afghanistan? Before the US Army came?

Stuff that in your pipe in smoke it. The US Army has done a lot of good for a lot of people. Japan. Germany. South Korea. Afghanistan. Iraq. All better places, in the end, with democracy and more liberalized values. Womens' rights, more rule of law, elections, nation-building.

Much of the middle east is making progress, thanks to American influence for so long.

Now compare that with Russian foreign policy -- they're just out for Russia and that's it, they recently made a "no strings attached" arms deal with the military leader in Egypt. Russia doesn't care if an Assad nerve gasses people in a suburb -- BUT WE CARE.

Do liberals actually care about their values, or not? ???? I have to wonder sometimes. They forget about gay rights when it comes to Russia. They don't care about womens' rights when it comes to Afghanistan, and the fact that we really are helping so much there with that.

Liberals say they care about free speech, yet are SILENT ON CHINA. So wtf, hm? Why so quiet?

This is why I respect Dorlomin, on this forum, so much. Dor showed real values that he or she applies *across the board*. Most of the other Left are just anti-West. I really wonder how they'll react one day if a powerful China is just able to censor our internet, too. So we can't read things the communist party doesn't want us to.

[PrestonSturges]

So Plant, you'll be spending this weekend of the short Alaskan summer barricaded in your Unabomber cabin and blogging? This amuses me.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'S')o Plant, you'll be spending this weekend of the short Alaskan summer ... blogging?

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'N')ow compare that with Russian foreign policy -- they're just out for Russia and that's it, they recently made a "no strings attached" arms deal with the military leader in Egypt.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'O')bama is scum for politicizing this....Now we all get to suffer an unending stream of stupid.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')If you're going to tell me Hillary, the lying, cheating, incompetent "public servant" that she is, who will take the most drug lobby money of ANYONE in congress while claiming to be fighting to "fix" health care -- is anything but a bad BHO rerun -- I beg to differ.

[americandream]

Crazy, self-righteous Christians on the one side and crazy, self-righteous Muslims on the other. What a mess!!

[PrestonSturges]

Bergdahls dad (with the beard) is a Republican and spoke at at least one GOP fundraiser. Now Fox News is "asking" whether he's a terrorist sympathizer.

This is a lot like the old days when Eisenhower was being accused of being a Communist.

[Plantagenet]

Yes I voted twice for Nader.

No I don't hate O --- I just think he is an incompetent lying dope who keeps bungling things. If his bungling incompetence wasn't hurting people as in the VA hospital mess it would actually be pretty funny.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')I don't like it. I want the old days back. Give me a Reagan. Please.....
I want the old days back. I miss Reagan. )

[PrestonSturges]

Oh this Josh Korder that has been bad mouthing Bergdahl got a "less than honorable discharge" from the army.

And Michael Hastings wrote a long Rolling Stone article about how Bergdahl's unit suffered from a complete breakdown of discipline and command. Hastings would be all over this story, but he crashed his car into a tree and got incinerated earlier this year.

If Hastings could look down on this, he'd be going nuts to see how quickly his work is being flushed down the memory hole.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')I don't like it. I want the old days back. Give me a Reagan. Please.....
I want the old days back. I miss Reagan. )

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'O')h this Josh Korder that has been bad mouthing Bergdahl got a "less than honorable discharge" from the army.

And Michael Hastings wrote a long Rolling Stone article about how Bergdahl's unit suffered from a complete breakdown of discipline and command. Hastings would be all over this story, but he crashed his car into a tree and got incinerated earlier this year.

If Hastings could look down on this, he'd be going nuts to see how quickly his work is being flushed down the memory hole.

[americandream]

I am amazed tha a grown man such as yourself, sixstrings, takes the 'threat" posed by a disparate bunch of bronze age thinkers serious vis-a-vis America. In any event, it should hardly come as any surprise that the odd American will find the Islamic message attractive. Shit does happen.

But to then construe this as some mortal risk to America, the hub of a very modern and advanced civilisation is, to be blunt, bizarre. America and the largely globalised rest of the world will never fall to bronze age inspired uprisings. So I would suggest calming down.