[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '[')
You think a planet with finite resources can grow the wealth of a minority of very rich capitalists for ever without running out (or be replaced with commodities plucked out of the fresh air when they do...you seem to alternately juggle these two ideas in your noggin which is some feat) and/or destroying its delicate lifesupport systems whereas I don't. If the former is not stupid then I don't know what is.

I believe you have been deliberately stupified by the minority but still, it is sad that stupids abound.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '1'). Capitalism dose not just serve a minority at the top but all people at all levels and people are free to move between levels through their own efforts.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')people are free to move between levels through their own efforts.

[Strummer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'O')ne man getting rich dose not necessitate other men getting poorer.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'O')ne man getting rich dose not necessitate other men getting poorer.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', 'S')ocial dynamic is not a function of the economic system, it is a function of the stage of the development of the social system. People were quite free to move between levels through their own effort at the heyday of Ottoman Empire, in the Roman Empire, in the Soviet Union while it was on the rise, and in many other places.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '[')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '4'). Overpopulation is the cause of the stress on our environment not capitalism and switching to a socialist system would make the problem worse not better at least until the collective farms failed and the "Excess population" starved to death.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '1'). Capitalism dose not just serve a minority at the top but all people at all levels and people are free to move between levels through their own efforts.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')we surviving capitalists

[ralfy]

The ultimate driver of social mobility in capitalist systems isn't "effort" but credit.

The world is a zero-sum game in terms of material resources. It isn't in terms of credit which can be increased readily. And there's your problem.

There are substitutes for fossil fuels but their energy returns are not good enough to meet increasing needs. They will not allow for "business as usual."

Overpopulation was made possible because of capitalism. That is, manufacturing and food production using fossil fuels led to lower infant mortality rates, etc., and thus a population boom. The same goes for increasing resource consumption per capita.

A higher level of waste takes place with capitalism in the form of overconsumption. There is no conservation in capitalism because unused resources are considered a cost.

Socialism comes in many forms, and need not involve state capitalism, which includes collective farms.

If there are no substitutes for fossil fuels and significant damage to the environment due to climate change, then capitalists will not survive, as they rely on increasing credit made possible through increasing resource availability.

[Quinny]

Where on earth do you get the idea there would be higher levels of waste under a socialist society.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'O')ne man getting rich dose not necessitate other men getting poorer.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'T')he ultimate driver of social mobility in capitalist systems isn't "effort" but credit.Wrong ,credit is not extended where effort, management, raw materials and labor are not available.

The world is a zero-sum game in terms of material resources. It isn't in terms of credit which can be increased readily. And there's your problem. Wrong again! For all practical purposes our ability to extract material resources is limited to the effort we employ to find and retrieve them. There are absolute limits of course but you or I will never see them.
There are substitutes for fossil fuels but their energy returns are not good enough to meet increasing needs. They will not allow for "business as usual."
Overpopulation was made possible because of capitalism. That is, manufacturing and food production using fossil fuels led to lower infant mortality rates, etc.,
Nothing about scientific advances to public heath ,water supplies and sanitation.? and thus a population boom. The same goes for increasing resource consumption per capita.
Yes Capitalism has been a great success.
A higher level of waste takes place with capitalism in the form of overconsumption. There is no conservation in capitalism because unused resources are considered a cost. Totally false. Socialism comes in many forms, and need not involve state capitalism, which includes collective farms. But all its forms fail due to their basic conflict with human nature. The old Polish joke from Gdansk, "They pretend to pay us, We pretend to work."
If there are no substitutes for fossil fuels and significant damage to the environment due to climate change, then capitalists will not survive, as they rely on increasing credit made possible through increasing resource availability.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')here on earth do you get the idea there would be higher levels of waste under a socialist society.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')however due to licensing problems, these tractors could not be sold in the West,

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')here on earth do you get the idea there would be higher levels of waste under a socialist society.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'O')ne man getting rich dose not necessitate other men getting poorer.

[Serial_Worrier]

the ingenuity of capitalism knows no bounds:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/ ... -in-sight/

Just apply the human mind to any problem and it's solved.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')we surviving capitalists

[americandream]

If we are going to survive and prevail on this planet, this system will have to go. I see too much in my daily corporate life to have vtsnowedin's optimism.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')f we are going to survive and prevail on this planet, this system will have to go. I see too much in my daily corporate life to have vtsnowedin's optimism.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Considering the number of years Democratic Liberals have been in power post WW2 and the socialist programs they have put in place the United States is now very far from a true Capitalist system. We now have fifty percent of the population taking out more then they are putting in a condition that can't go on indefinitely.