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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 21 Apr 2013, 06:50:27

Like Pops said, if you want good peak oil journalism then act like a Journalist and write something. Back in the 1990's I was a member of the space nuts are US community. We quickly discovered the only way to get anything written about the potential of NEO was to write it ourselves. Several of my back then online friends became quite adroit at writing articles that were picked up as Op-ed pieces and published in major markets. CATS, SSTO, SSTA, TSTO we knew we were leading the edge of the next technology. Yet here I sit 20 full years later and we are just now starting to see some real progress in CATS and TSTO, the rest have at least for now fallen by the wayside.

In the end it didn't matter much, we got a couple of programs extended a year to 18 months but we never got enough inertia in the public to cause a lasting change. I learned back then the hard way, 95% of people just don't care unless they can see a direct effect in their personal life within a year. Of the remaining 5% you will discover only a fifth agree with your ultimate goal, another fifth might agree with your immediate goal, but the remaining three fifths have goals divergent or a opposed to your goal. It was the same way when I was a hard core environmentalist back in the 1980's but I was young enough back then to think all I had to do was be more convincing.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sun 21 Apr 2013, 08:15:53

Buddy – Obviously we don’t have to narrow it down to PO. Each of us has a strong knowledge base about something and cringes when we see some erroneous if not downright stupid MSM reports. As implied some reporters are just lazy and in a hurry to get a story out so they just mimic what other inept reporters print.

And I suspect many reporters better understand the situation but write down to a level they feel J6P can handle. Which, from a business standpoint, is probably valid. I could write a 10,000 word report going over all the detailed pros and cons of frac’ng in PA. And send it to every news outlet in the state. But would it get published word for word? Not likely…each reporter would pull out what supported the emphasis they wanted to sell.

BTW: I did just that about a year ago. Also put out shorter messages on their websites. Responses: zero. I at least expected negative responses but didn't even get that. I think at this point most folks have well entrenched opinions on the subject and felt they didn’t need to hear any more about it. And the MSM understands that. Same thing goes for our energy situation and every other major issue out there. And I'll take another shot at our two party system. IMHO they encourage such dogmatic positions because it gives them cover for not seriously addressing many of our problems. We have been divided and they have conquered.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby Buddy_J » Sun 21 Apr 2013, 11:31:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'e')2 is right. There used to a sizable contingent of doomers posting here who thought collapse was imminent and were prepping various bunkers, cabins, boats, vans, etc. for their bugout holes.


So the crazy role players have wandered off, not a surprise really. Once it turned out that peak oil meant more expensive fuels and not an excuse to shoot their neighbor and steal his daughter, it was much less interesting. They are probably now off plotting how to survive alien invasion or government takeover of their grow operation.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby Pops » Sun 21 Apr 2013, 18:07:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t doesn't mean that day won't come, but it DOES say that the predictive track-record of "peak oil journalism" from doomer sources hasn't been that accurate.

I don't get it, you're pulling predictions out of your ear at the same time you're bashing others for making guesses of their own?

Or maybe it's just the doomy predictions you don't like, maybe you think non-doomer sources like the EIA or IEA or experts like Yergin or the Mgurleri fellow are more reliable? Diane Sawyer said just a couple of months ago that the US will soon be the worlds' larges exporter of oil, how about that?

:lol:

Peakers can't see the future any better than anyone else, what, you expected Nostradamus? Open the WSJ & NYT every friggin day and there are experts making big bucks pretending like they just hopped out of the Time Tunnel and are back to tell us why the Dow will do this or the price of oil that and none of them agree! What makes you think a bunch of anonymous posters on a web site about peak oil are going to be any more accurate?

If anyone is coming here looking for failure proof timelines they are sure to be disappointed. Notice the masthead says "exploring" that means studying the possibilities not expounding the inevitable - the only thing inevitable is peak will happen, after that is an open question.

More generally, of course there are people who think Maxx is just around the corner, that's nothing new, I've been hanging around those kind of boards since dial-up and reading along those lines before that, back to when Ruff handed me his book in the '70s. There are lots of folks, me included, who are a little leery of trusting that tomorrow will take care of itself and no they don't all think the rapture is around the corner either. I personally was responsible for the PFTF forum and took lots of flack for corralling the hard core gun and tank-trap stuff into one thread and eventually it's own subforum.

But there have always been people here who argued the "stay in the city and keep making money" side of the argument as well, otherwise city vs country threads would never have been so long, LOL! But make no mistake, the preppers haven't gone away, they've just moved on to other boards where they don't have to put up with the BS from the kibitzers here.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby careinke » Sun 21 Apr 2013, 21:21:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ')But make no mistake, the preppers haven't gone away, they've just moved on to other boards where they don't have to put up with the BS from the kibitzers here.


Truth. +1

Although, I no longer consider myself a Prepper. Now, I think of myself as a Permie. Being a Permie is a lot easier on your psyche.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:07:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Buddy_J', 'A')s we have currently have found one in just the past 3 years, it does beg the question, can their future projections for economic activity hold true as long as this size of finding rate continues?
We found Kashagan in 2000. I remember when that was a Cornie poster child. It's become a PO poster child.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby Buddy_J » Tue 23 Apr 2013, 14:03:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Buddy_J', 'A')s we have currently have found one in just the past 3 years, it does beg the question, can their future projections for economic activity hold true as long as this size of finding rate continues?
We found Kashagan in 2000. I remember when that was a Cornie poster child. It's become a PO poster child.


I am not familiar with Kashagan. All I know is that a new Saudi Arabia came from somewhere in the past 3 years, and no one seems to know where. Which to me means we don't understand the system very well, to not be able to find an oil producing region the equivalent of the other top oil producers on the planet.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby radon » Tue 23 Apr 2013, 15:23:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'o')ut on a frigid Siberian tundra lake. .


Far from Siberia, surrounded by steppes and desert, pretty hot, and Iran to the South.
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Re: lousy peak oil journalism

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 23 Apr 2013, 20:33:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'L')ike Pops said, if you want good peak oil journalism then act like a Journalist and write something.
This guy did:
Behind the Numbers on Energy Return on Investment$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen I proposed an article to Scientific American on energy return-on-investment, also known as EROI, I didn't realize how much legwork would be involved in gathering the numbers needed for an infographic to accompany the story.

How to Measure the True Cost of Fossil Fuels [Preview]
For the full article you have to buy the April mag or subscribe. It's one page worth of text and 3 of infographics.
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