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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby AdTheNad » Tue 04 Dec 2012, 12:36:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilentRunning', 'T')he silence from AntiDoomer is deafening...

I notice TheAntiDoomer's tagline is still factually and verifiably incorrect.
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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Tue 04 Dec 2012, 15:27:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilentRunning', '&')quot;The human ability to innovate out of a jam is profound.That’s why Darwin will always be right, and Malthus will always be wrong.” -K.R. Sridhar

I find the Anti-doomer's tagline to be deliberately irritating - because it is so obviously a lie.



How can a quote be a lie? Mr Sridhar can say whatever he likes, claim the moon is made of cheese, Ghandi was an alien, whatever nonsense he'd like. And then someone else quoting him correctly, can use said quote to ridicule, make a point, put an exclamation point on a post.

So Mr Sridhar said something. A reasonable interpretation of his statement is that it supports someones interpretation of Darwinism over what Malthus represents. To a particular person.

There is no LIE in any of this, because we can't even determine the intent of the given statement without its author explaining his views on those two people. Sounds cool for sure, and we have been waiting quite some time for Malthus to be proven right, but it always does seem right around the corner, and then we turn the corner, and it's the next corner, and you have to ask how many more corners we can play this game with.
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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Tue 04 Dec 2012, 21:18:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')ou can disassemble and obfuscate all you want, but I am not confused by your babble. Sridhar lies regarding Malthus and Darwin. Anti (or you) do not get pass by putting quotes around a false statement.


Why do I get the distinct impression you didn't even read what was written?
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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Tue 04 Dec 2012, 23:07:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SamInNebraska', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')ou can disassemble and obfuscate all you want, but I am not confused by your babble. Sridhar lies regarding Malthus and Darwin. Anti (or you) do not get pass by putting quotes around a false statement.


Why do I get the distinct impression you didn't even read what was written?
Okay. I stand corrected. Anti's signature is not a lie. It merely suggests ignorance of ecology, natural selection, Darwin's theory, and history. Not a big deal.


You appear to be making quite a few assumptions not visible. I think the quote is meant to be more of a funny rather than the serious you take it as. The author has to be claiming that natural selection will somehow solve the population problem and starvation that Malthus envisioned. Just because humans HAVE solved that problem to date certainly does not mean we will be able to do so in the future, and the author is just poking those who are always predicting the end. By assuming something about Darwin's theory of evolution which I don't understand the link to.
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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 04 Dec 2012, 23:29:20

Again, Darwin's natural selection doesn't refer to innovation but to organisms dying given changes in the environment and mutations that do not help them to survive.

Malthus refers to shortages of resources which limit population, etc., and actually confirms what Darwin argued in light of human beings. Given that, Darwin is right given the human species because Malthus is right.

But technology can be employed to increase resource availability, and this has nothing to do with Darwin's natural selection and counters Malthus' argument only if one believes that resources can be increased endlessly. At the same time, when all means are exhausted, then Darwin's natural selection kicks in.

Given that, both are right. At the point when various technologies and other circumstances no longer allow continued availability of resources, then what Malthus argues will take place. If any mutations from the human species survive various effects of such circumstances or if other organisms survive, then what Darwin argues will take place.
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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby sparky » Wed 05 Dec 2012, 02:21:08

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The way I see it , Darwin is concerned with great grand children
Malthus is concerned that if one doesn't eat for a certain period of time ..one is dead
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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby AdTheNad » Wed 05 Dec 2012, 06:19:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SamInNebraska', 'Y')ou appear to be making quite a few assumptions not visible. I think the quote is meant to be more of a funny rather than the serious you take it as. The author has to be claiming that natural selection will somehow solve the population problem and starvation that Malthus envisioned. Just because humans HAVE solved that problem to date certainly does not mean we will be able to do so in the future, and the author is just poking those who are always predicting the end. By assuming something about Darwin's theory of evolution which I don't understand the link to.

This is a ridiculous - almost deliberately trolly interpretation. And stating that humans have solved the problem, really? 1 billion malnourished people, countless numbers of dead through the consequences thereon, but humans are still on the planet so problem must be solved. If the population literally dropped to 2 people, who then survived and managed to have offspring, would you still count that as having solved the hunger problem? I mean technically if those 2 people weren't hungry....

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... id/307757/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('article', 'S')hould the utility companies be worried? Possibly. As Sridhar points out, “The companies who saw their business as selling mainframe computers are gone.” Of course, the utilities could also do as IBM did, and adapt. “The human ability to innovate out of a jam is profound,” Sridhar says with a smile. “That’s why Darwin will always be right, and Malthus will always be wrong.”


It is quite clear that Sridhar is taking the opinion, or at least stating the opinion to help generate venture capital funds, that humans will use technology to innovate and adapt their way out of a die off. The first part of the quote isn't technically a lie. The human ability to innovate out of a jam IS profound, however the approximately 150,000 people who die every day failed to innovate their way out of that jam. How much more evidence does anyone need on that point?

Darwin is right, in that those that adapt will be the ones to pass on their genes, but that in no way contradicts what Malthus said.
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Re: Anti-doomer's tagline is bogus

Unread postby Narz » Wed 05 Dec 2012, 12:29:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')arwin is right, in that those that adapt will be the ones to pass on their genes, but that in no way contradicts what Malthus said.

Well America isn't really adapting as much as adapting the world & it's workers to our needs. I don't think anyone would call Americans "fit", we're mostly just lucky. Whether we'll stay lucky is up for discussion.
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