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Re: Land Redistribution? Mandatory post TEOTWAWKI?

Unread postby careinke » Fri 12 Aug 2011, 11:55:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'I')'ve got plenty to say about Pops' apology for industrial ag,

Point that part out to me.


Actually that was me apologizing to Pops. We had some cross communications going on. That said, I still don't like big ag.
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Unread postby Pops » Fri 19 Oct 2012, 08:53:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fumdomawoto', 'H')i!
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I agree. I was very impressed with myself after rereading my last post.

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Re: Land Redistribution? Mandatory post TEOTWAWKI?

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 19 Oct 2012, 10:54:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')ut hey, we shouldn't let the real world encroach here, so forget I said all that.
My new theory is billions will die this winter, and next spring the hardy survivors will conga onto the dead corporations' ravaged farmland and become healthy, slender and tanned tossing seedballs while slow dancing to Ray Charles.


I know this thread got necro'd up in a weird way, but this cracked me up; seeing as the seedball guy was Japanese; *MY* take is that I'll be meandering across my field, tossing seedballs, katana and sidearm at the hip, while my wife sits with longbow on the porch sipping tea and looking all dignified. I could dig that. Music though, it'll have to be Metal.

Seriously though, I wonder where the grain price point has to be in order for small grass based livestock to out-compete the feedlot in terms of (after tax profit)/(man-hour); and what the minimal and optimal sizes are for that type of operation.
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Re: Land Redistribution? Mandatory post TEOTWAWKI?

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 19 Oct 2012, 11:36:05

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Re: Land Redistribution? Mandatory post TEOTWAWKI?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 19 Oct 2012, 13:18:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')eriously though, I wonder where the grain price point has to be in order for small grass based livestock to out-compete the feedlot in terms of (after tax profit)/(man-hour); and what the minimal and optimal sizes are for that type of operation.

Good question. Let me give it a shot my ciphering skill might be up to that...

The best feed conversion in cattle is about 5:1 so when feed is more than 20% of the cost of beef, ranchers go broke for sure.

With a bushel of corn at $8 and 56# per bushel = 14¢/lb

Multiplied by 5 (feed conversion ratio) = 70¢ per pound of live weight gain.

Live cattle right now are $1.25/lb so that leaves 55¢/lb for OH&P up to the slaughterhouse door. Obviously there are a million other variables...

Good grass where I live in SW MO is maybe $1.5-2k/ac and can stand a stocking rate of maybe 3 acres per cow (if there is a good clover stand) and make a pound of live weight gain a day easily. So $6k / (365days *$1.25# live weight) = 13+ year payback at $450/ year cash - a 7% gross return. That's conservative, with not much regular fertilizing. You could up the forage amount with additional nitrogen.

Realize of course it isn't an either/or question, all calves live their first 6 months or so following mom around the pasture on a cow/calf outfit. Supermarket beef continues to be pastured in a "stocker" setup and is only only finished on grain the last few hundred pounds. Prime restaurant cuts OTOH are not only finished on grain but raised on it from a fairly young age as well. The amount of marbling is the key to flavor and tenderness and it comes from standing around eating concentrates. Burger for Mikey Ds is imported from the Brazilian Pampas I'd guess, grind in some downer dairy cows and maybe my dairy bulls along with pink slime and trimmings from good beef and voila!


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Re: Land Redistribution? Mandatory post TEOTWAWKI?

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 19 Oct 2012, 14:46:44

Those numbers do not bode well for my inexpensive, massive TBones... :-<
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Re: Land Redistribution? Mandatory post TEOTWAWKI?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 21 Oct 2012, 01:47:17

McDs feeds the equivalent of the entire UK population every day and the US stores go through 5.5 million head of cattle worth of burger per year. Big order to fill and I don't doubt that some beef is imported from the Pampas of south America along with all that is produced in the US. Do you think a cow in Uruguay tastes any different then one grown in Texas? If they didn't taste good people would stop buying them as they aren't cheap.
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