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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 07 May 2012, 14:07:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'S')o what are all the evil socialist things Hollande wants to do? Anyone know some specifics?

I read a line somewhere, something about raising the top tax rate to 75%.

I wonder what their capital gains tax is? Does he want to raise that, and how much? Will Hollande crack down on banksters? Is he a real reformer?

Here is an interesting brief on his intentions
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rucially, Hollande wants a deeper strategic partnership with the BRICS - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. And especially savory to the emerging powerhouses, he is in favor of the end of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency - to be replaced by a basket of currencies. Now the BRICS may have a strategic ally right at the heart of the EU in terms of trying to modernize the global financial system.

Hollande's first international test is right ahead, at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) summit in Chicago later this month. It will be fascinating to watch whether he may be able to throw a monkey wrench into NATO's Globocop ambitions. Most European countries, fed up with the black-hole adventures in Afghanistan and Libya, may in fact support him. Hollande said he would withdraw all French soldiers from Afghanistan by the end of 2012.

But the real war will be inside Europe. In the end, we're back to "follow the money".

Hollande wants France's ageing population to retire early. He wants France's farmers comfortably subsidized - not to mention its cows, whose standard of living is better than 2 billion people on the planet. He wants the generous French social welfare apparatus to keep working.

How to pay for all this - when all the money has been sucked up into the bulging pockets of the 0.1%? The "normal" guy may not just be making a push to change Europe; he will have to make a push to change the world.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NE08Dj06.html
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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 07 May 2012, 14:23:14

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')Hollande wants France's ageing population to retire early. He wants France's farmers comfortably subsidized - not to mention its cows, whose standard of living is better than 2 billion people on the planet....

How to pay for all this - when all the money has been sucked up into the bulging pockets of the 0.1%?


The 0.1% stole the subsidies for French cows?

Ohmigod. Well---Hollande and the French socialists will fix that right now!!!

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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby Cog » Mon 07 May 2012, 17:03:52

Time to print money.

Let the games begin.
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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby Fishman » Mon 07 May 2012, 21:26:44

"It beats decades of austerity." No, no, no. It will create decades of austerity as NO ONE will lend them any money. Their choices are fiscal austerity (which they rejected) or monetary austerity as they monetize their debt. Unicorns did not start pooping Euros or even Francs yesterday.
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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 07 May 2012, 22:00:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'A')nd especially savory to the emerging powerhouses, he is in favor of the end of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency - to be replaced by a basket of currencies. Now the BRICS may have a strategic ally right at the heart of the EU in terms of trying to modernize the global financial system.


That currency basket idea is a big threat to the US.

Fair is fair if nobody wants the dollar anymore then we need our jobs back. Frickin' globalism, it's never smart to offshore your jobs then import more than you export -- regardless of what bankers say. If the currency basket happens it has to be very gradual, US needs time to adjust and the world needs time too you can't change the coin of the realm too quickly. But can it happen at all? People seem to still want dollars no matter what, and the euro is no replacement with all the problems they have.

As for the BRICs, I've read growth has leveled out and they're not the rising superpower once thought.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut the real war will be inside Europe. In the end, we're back to "follow the money".

Hollande wants France's ageing population to retire early. He wants France's farmers comfortably subsidized - not to mention its cows, whose standard of living is better than 2 billion people on the planet. He wants the generous French social welfare apparatus to keep working.


Early retirement is good for unemployment. People are living longer, only so many jobs, sorry but at some point you have to make room for the next generation to do some work too.

As for pampered cows, that results in good beef. Who doesn't like that? Don't want mad cow disease do you?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]How to pay for all this - when all the money has been sucked up into the bulging pockets of the 0.1%? The "normal" guy may not just be making a push to change Europe; he will have to make a push to change the world.


Currency basket replacing the dollar, for starters. That would give the euro more room to money-print.

That's all you can do if you're importing more than you export, you have to get that money back from China and India or wherever so that means them buying Euros or your bonds.

Otherwise, you can raise taxes on the rich. I think European taxes are just about right though, it's not like the US where billionaires are only paying 15%.

(he could crack down on corp taxes too.. companies like GE and Apple dodge taxes all over the world, would be nice to see somebody finally tax them)
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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 08 May 2012, 00:42:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]New French leader fires a broadside at Britain: You only care about the City, says Hollande

New French president Francois Hollande launched an outspoken attack last night on Britain’s obsession with protecting the City of London from Brussels-inspired legislation.

As David Cameron warned that the single currency is in ‘extreme trouble’, the socialist victor suggested that Britain is ‘indifferent to the fate of the euro area’ and ‘attentive only to the interests of the City’.

This is despite the fact that billions of pounds of UK taxpayers’ money is already being used to prop up the basket-case currency.

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Mr Hollande made clear he resents Britain remaining outside the single currency because the Bank of England – unlike the European Central Bank – has been able to print money to keep the economy afloat.

He said: ‘In addition to relative indifference to the fate of the euro area, Britain is more protected because of speculation the central bank may intervene directly to finance the debt.’


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‘The British have been particularly shy about the issues of financial regulation, and attentive only to the interests of the City – hence their reluctance to see the introduction of a tax on financial transactions and tax harmonisation in Europe.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141040/TNew-French-leader-fires-broadside-Britain-You-care-city-says-Hollande.html


So what's going on here is despite the impression that Europe "prints money," the real fact is because of how the EU is set up it's more difficult for them versus the UK or the US. The real fact is the UK and US has done more "money printing," and more to the point the financial sector KNOWS the Bank of England and our Fed CAN do that -- so that inspires confidence.

And this is where the currency basket replacing the dollar makes sense for them, it gives them room to monetize debt (money print), assuming of course they get more organized and can agree to print as easily as the Bank of England can or our Federal Reserve.

Just remember Fish and Cog when you criticize the europeans, we've done more money printing than they have and under the current paradigm we ultimately backstop them anyway and would print to save the euro. We're just all at the mercy of central bank high finance here, and this is directly because of otherwise unsustainable trade deficits.

Hollande is right on the issues, but that's for FRANCE not the US. Depending on how quickly a currency basket alternative develops, it could be very bad for the US -- conservatives, you will have to accept the military has to be cut. We'll have no way of paying for it and ***there won't even be a point to it anymore*** if we're not world reserve, if this is what they want we must turn inward and Europe is on its own.

I can't state that strongly enough -- if the dollar loses world reserve status, we cannot sustain the global US military and there is no point anyway. I hope when the day comes conservatives here admit that, we're going to have SERIOUS economic troubles if the world tapers off of dollars. It will be bad. Right now a majority of our dollars are held in foreign hands, not American. If those dollars are dumped it amounts to a currency crash and plummeting living standards here in the US. All we can do is hope it's gradual, if it's too rapid we'd have a horrid depression out of it.

Either way the military would have to go we won't be able to afford it. Either Europe and the world wants us to lead or they don't, if it's a "non" then we have to accept that and focus on ourselves again as we did before the world wars -- small military, neutrality, pro-american mercantilism NOT globalism.

We need out of this mess anyway. The world has turned ungrateful and the average American no longer sees any benefit from globalism. Let's look out for ourselves for a change, let the Europeans worry about Russia and Libya and Egypt and godforsaken deserts / jungles all over the globe. What do we get for all this trouble? Nothing, our jobs offshored, most of our currency in the hands of foreigners, and all we can do is print money to keep it all going.
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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby AdTheNad » Tue 08 May 2012, 04:31:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '&')quot;It beats decades of austerity." No, no, no. It will create decades of austerity as NO ONE will lend them any money. Their choices are fiscal austerity (which they rejected) or monetary austerity as they monetize their debt. Unicorns did not start pooping Euros or even Francs yesterday.

So you would rather lend money to someone up to their eyeballs in debt who has no chance of repaying it, than someone who is carrying no debt because they just told the last creditors to do one? Neither option is great, but I'd much rather lend money to the latter then the former.
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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Wed 09 May 2012, 13:35:17

Define austerity. Some define it as loss of private sector jobs. Others define it as lessening welfare programs. Others define it as lack of infrastructure spending. How can we debate something we can't agree on the definition.
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Re: Sarkozy concedes defeat to Hollande

Unread postby davep » Wed 09 May 2012, 14:41:21

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/may/08/austerity-second-biggest-google-search

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ritain and Europe know all about the meaning of austerity, but the word is baffling our American cousins, who have been turning to Google for illumination...
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