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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 21:00:10

SeaGypsy: I plead complete guilt in being, generally, a left wing libertarian.

I realize conservatives will have a problem with this kind of thing, despite how often THEY get caught with their pants down. (Just like the left gets caught far too often with their hands in the till, while "helping the little guy". I HATE hypocrisy!)

While I generally agree with all you say, I don't see how this addresses my argument. IF THEY DID THIS ON THEIR OWN TIME, SO WHAT? IF NOT FIRE THEM.

Simple, objective, and effective, if used as a carrot/stick example, no?
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby SeaGypsy » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 21:05:38

Have you seen what happens in the UK over there merest private sex scandal in politics? It's bloody ridiculous. I think it's revealing of the power of church over state in many instances, although unstated. Anyhow, when you play with fire....
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 21:38:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'I')F THEY DID THIS ON THEIR OWN TIME, SO WHAT?


Even if its their "own time" its still a fraud on the taxpayer when they rent a "party room" on a government purchase order or put the cost of the booze and food for their party at the hotel on their government credit cards.

It also wasn't very smart of them to boast at the brothel that they were in Colombia "with Obama."

The allegations of drug use at the brothel and back at the hotel in the party room are still under investigation---any use of illegal narcotics is a felony and cause for dismissal, even if it is ON THEIR OWN TIME! :roll:
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Loki » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 22:01:08

SeaGypsy, you seem to be well versed on the sex industry, have you thought of becoming a consultant for the Secret Service? :lol:

I'm with Outcast on this one. I don't give two shits what people do on their own time and dime. Seems like a lot of hubbub about nothing to me.

I'm sure the GOP spinmeisters are busy blaming Obama. Funny how they turn a blind eye to wholesale graft in the "defense" industry, though. Speaking of which, whatever happened to those missing pallets of $100 bills during the Iraq War? Still missing I presume. And that trillion dollars the Pentagon lost in the couch cushions some years back? Also still missing. But yes, let's focus on some obscure bureaucrat who spent too much on a party, or some jocks with badges dipping their wicket in the wrong hole(s).
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby SeaGypsy » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 22:10:39

Anyone with SE Asian family has at least some prostitutes related to them. The biggest house in my extended family is owned by a lady who openly hooked from 16 to 32 years old before settling down and marrying a very senior US Navy serviceman and moving to Connecticut. She set up a straight massage business and has kept a dozen ex-hooker wives in honest employment for nearly 20 years.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 19 Apr 2012, 23:14:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', ' ')I don't give two shits what people do on their own time


The folks at the hotel say the US security delegation started drinking at noon and got seriously drunk every single day. From the argument with the prostitutes, we know they were in bed with the prostitutes until 7 am. So unless they were drunk on the job, "their own time" went from noon through the rest of the day and night to 7 am.

When exactly were these folks doing their job? Between 8 and 12 in the morning--it that it? :roll:



What is clear is that members of Obama's advance team were engaged in serious partying. Three waiters at the hotel told the AP that a dozen Americans they believed to U.S. presidential bodyguards engaged in nearly a week of heavy drinking at the hotel.

"Normally they would have lunch and start to drink," said one waiter, Jorge, who agreed to speak on condition his last name not be used because he feared he'd lose his job.

Initially, the Americans drank the hotel's liquor, then brought in beer and tequila purchased outside, the waiters said. Jorge said because they were Americans, the waiters tolerated the violation of hotel's liquor policy.

"When they were good and drunk they would get in the pool and play water polo" he said.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Loki » Fri 20 Apr 2012, 00:47:07

Yes, yes, Planted, what a sordid little scandal. Reminds me of that porno novel about Clinton's dick the GOP commissioned (with taxpayer money) back in the '90s.

On a different subject, I was wondering how much you get paid per post. Is it lucrative? PM me with details, I could use some side money.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 20 Apr 2012, 12:30:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '.').. Clinton's dick ....


Give it a rest.

Try to track on the current topic.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Cog » Fri 20 Apr 2012, 12:38:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'Y')es, yes, Planted, what a sordid little scandal. Reminds me of that porno novel about Clinton's dick the GOP commissioned (with taxpayer money) back in the '90s.

On a different subject, I was wondering how much you get paid per post. Is it lucrative? PM me with details, I could use some side money.


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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 20 Apr 2012, 13:35:58

The leftist GUARDIAN newspaper in Britain has pointed out that its against the law for US military personel to hire prostitutes.

"Embarrassed by allegations that ten military men were involved in the Colombian scandal of buying women for the sex of prostitution, the US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Martin Dempsey, seemed most concerned that "We let the boss down." He also added, "We're embarrassed by what occurred in Colombia, though we're not sure exactly what it is."

We're not sure exactly whether the general knows that the Department of Defense (DoD) has a zero tolerance policy opposing the purchasing of persons in prostitution, recognizing that it contributes to sex-trafficking. Readers learn that prostitution is legal in certain areas of Colombia called "tolerance zones". We don't learn that patronizing prostitution by US servicemen is illegal anywhere. Since 2006, patronizing prostitution is a crime when committed by service members under article 134 of the US military's criminal law (the uniform code of military justice)."


The military prohibition on patronizing prostitutes reflects concern over sex-trafficking of young women......which is exactly how the brothels in Cartegena get their young women.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Cog » Fri 20 Apr 2012, 15:53:14

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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 20 Apr 2012, 17:20:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he military prohibition on patronizing prostitutes reflects concern over sex-trafficking of young women......which is exactly how the brothels in Cartegena get their young women.


Interesting.. on the one hand soldiers having been using prostitutes ever since the Roman Empire and the Greeks before them. Historically if soldiers didn't use prostitutes, they raped and pillaged -- so prostitution was the civilized practice.

In modern times, soldiers and sailors have always used prostitutes. In WWII the local commander tried to shut down prostitution in Hawaii but it caused too much trouble so finally he settled for regulating the brothels. The military by nature is an unnatural situation, the guys don't get home at 6pm on the dot every night they aren't able to see their wives if married or ever get out and meet women or have time for dating. What are they supposed to do, be celibate? What are we going to do, take out a component of military life that's been around for thousands of years?

On the other hand.. the regulation you cite makes sense because sex trafficking is a horrible crime, if the women are underage obvioiusly or if otherwise abused. The Netherlands has the best answer on this, legal prostitution where they're not underage and the girls get frequent health checks for STD's and condoms are required. But we can't do that because we're so moral, yet you're going to have this massive army where the guys are expected to be celibate.

Also there have been several sex scandals in Japan, I think those were flat out rapes not prostitution, it's a major diplomatic problem between the US and Japan. So yes the military wants to get control over their soldiers' personal conduct given the massive diplomatic problems it's caused but what are you going to do young guys can't just be celibate for years.

(secret service is a WHOLE other deal, and probably some military personnel in sensitive positions -- they need to be monks, more has to be expected from them, you can't put the president in danger because you've got your hotel room full of colombian hookers and you really don't know if one is a spy -- look at that Russian spy ring, the one girl was very attractive and it was a honeypot trap she got close to a cabinet member)
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby SeaGypsy » Fri 20 Apr 2012, 19:02:38

A John is called a John because he's just a bloody John. When a John starts bragging to a hooker about his status, he is confusing his sex worker with his sex therapist and taking an almighty risk, especially in drastic economically circumstances such as these. It would make more sense for there to be a realistic sex education for folks entering the military, with a focus on hooker/ John etiquette and safety. The sort of things I would tell my 20 year old son going on holiday in Thailand, not pleasant perhaps to talk about or confront, but necessary to avoid potential disaster.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby gfere40 » Sat 21 Apr 2012, 08:27:33

Hi there
weird things happen all the time during campaigns.
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Re: Gov workers partying an awful lot lately

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 23 Apr 2012, 14:08:32

The government sex tourism scandal expands again----investigators found that prostitution also went on at the hotel where Obama was booked several days before his arrival.

This has raised concerns that agents in Obama's personal security detail who were booked in that hotel were partying or perhaps that WH staff who were there to lay the groundwork for Obama were partying.

The inquisition investigation continues. 8)
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