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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby ritter » Fri 02 Mar 2012, 15:52:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'y')ou may not have noticed, but we saw a massive spike in the price of oil in 2008, on the heels of which came the worst depression since the 1930s.

But no worries, all this peak oil crap is nonsense right?


And it appears we might be looking down the second barrel of that particular shotgun right now....
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Fri 02 Mar 2012, 16:18:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('js1022', 'N')ow it's 9 years later and the world has not changed much.

:-D

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Insight: Wall Street, Fed face off over physical commodities
David Sheppard, Jonathan Leff and Josephine Mason / Reuters / March 2, 2012

Morgan Stanley's commodity trading revenues have fallen by some 60 percent over the past three years. Goldman Sachs' commodities business revenues fell from $4.6 billion in 2009 to $1.6 billion in each of the past two years.

... It wasn't supposed to be like this.

After Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley converted to Bank Holding Companies at the peak of the financial crisis to gain emergency access to discounted Fed funds, many bankers confidently predicted that they would be able to carry on trading in much the same way as before. ...
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 02 Mar 2012, 16:56:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '[')color=#FF0000]Was this site even around in 2003[/color]?

As for the troll, you may not have noticed, but we saw a massive spike in the price of oil in 2008, on the heels of which came the worst depression since the 1930s.

But no worries, all this peak oil crap is nonsense right?



Thu Apr 15, 2004..................
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 02 Mar 2012, 17:38:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('js1022', 'N')ow it's 9 years later and the world has not changed much.


Were you in a coma 2008-2009?
Just the first thumpin with many more to come over the next couple decades.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')[don't think]..you have to stock up on food.


While you don't HAVE to stock up on food; having a reasonable and functional pantry at your residence always makes good sense. If everyone would do that, and find a way to keep a few days of water around, Emergency Management agencies would have MUCH less to worry about, and could go get real work done when bad things happen.

A thirty day pantry isn't even really all that difficult to manage.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Fri 02 Mar 2012, 17:58:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'A') thirty day pantry isn't even really all that difficult to manage.

But I'm spoiled and only want to eat fresh food all year round.

I guess I could rotate the canned goods by giving them to charities.

But how to store coffee? It only lasts two weeks after it's been roasted.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby Wootan » Fri 02 Mar 2012, 18:38:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', 'B')ut how to store coffee? It only lasts two weeks after it's been roasted.


Roast it yourself. Unroasted coffee stores quite well. :o
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Fri 02 Mar 2012, 18:42:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wootan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', 'B')ut how to store coffee? It only lasts two weeks after it's been roasted.


Roast it yourself. Unroasted coffee stores quite well. :o

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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby Concerned » Sat 03 Mar 2012, 15:26:12

Peak oil is here.

Global economic contraction, resource wars and $100+ oil.

At $100 bbl the annual cost to the global economy is 3 Trillion dollars given an 85million per day consumption.

Expect more inflation, and Richard Heinberg's explanation of the economy going one step forward and two steps back being the how the future unfolds.

From your post I pretty much understand things to be I've got a job, my home, can pay my bills therefore everything is ok.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sat 03 Mar 2012, 16:06:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wootan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', 'B')ut how to store coffee? It only lasts two weeks after it's been roasted.


Roast it yourself. Unroasted coffee stores quite well. :o

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The art of judging latte art
By Jeshurun Webb, Imprint / Salon / February 27, 2012

My husband manages a coffee shop, and we actually met in a coffee shop. As you can imagine, our kitchen has an espresso machine, an industrial grinder, a home grinder, two coffee pots, an iced coffee maker, a french press, a pour over kit… Needless to say, we’re well-equipped in case there is an apocalypse and the new currency is coffee beans. ...

You laugh but I'll be a post-apocalpyse bean dealer.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby cipi604 » Sat 03 Mar 2012, 23:58:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('js1022', 'N')ow it's 9 years later and the world has not changed much.


Now this should scary you, nothing has changed. Except EROEI :lol:
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby meemoe_uk » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 14:23:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')gt;So, it was obvious to the oil industry that U.S. oil would peak and Hubbert's data showed when it would happen, yet it was scaremongering and hype to present this truth to the public?

If Huberts peak prediction had been presented in correct context, an appropriate headline in 1954 would have been " New age of prosperity for USA and world to last at least 50 years as huge and easy new oil reserves to be exploited in middle east!, they're better than USA fields, so USA production will fall and industry goes for better pickings ".
Also note this wasn't because remaning USA fields were 'hard' oil. They were easy, it's just that middle east oil fields were even easier.

So Hubbert's paper was the truth and a sign of prosperity for at least 1954 to 2004, but the PO_doom_is_Now religion dressed it up as doom.

This should have been apparent in my last post, if you don't understand it in this rephrasal, I can't help you.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 14:47:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', ' ')" New age of prosperity for USA and world to last at least 50 years as huge and easy new oil reserves to be exploited in middle east!, they're better than USA fields, so USA production will fall and industry goes for better pickings ".

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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby spot5050 » Mon 02 Apr 2012, 22:09:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('js1022', '
')... and I remembered 9 years ago when I used to think the sky was falling. I used to visit this site every day and read all the doom threads in a haze of depression. I sat around wondering how I was going to stock up on food and supplies.

Now it's 9 years later and the world has not changed much.

:-D


Me too. The hydrocarbon world as we know it will come to an end eventually, but not as soon as the doomers would have us believe, and not as soon as I thought when I joined these forums.

When I found these PO forums I went out and bought lots of tinned food because at the time it seemed urgent. It's not urgent. The oil will run out, but not next week. It's a generational thing.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 02 Apr 2012, 23:36:11

A guy jumps out of a 50 story building and about half way down he says, see this isn't so bad.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby sparky » Tue 03 Apr 2012, 19:15:05

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I've been on this site a fair few years now
at one time it was full of porn doomers with foul mouths and bad manners
a lot of good folks were chassed away by this

It's much better now ,
Peak oil in still here , great events are on a large scale
the falling of a cliff was Sooo romantic ,
judgment day in a couple of weeks
it's true only at the Historian scale of change

I believe at the everyday scale
it's more going to be like a sery of recessions and weak recoveries ,
people lives being caugh in financial quick sands ,some going under ,
most dragging themselves out until the next one .

That is the real ugly outcome
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 03 Apr 2012, 19:44:14

Uglier than say, collapse of trade and international finance? Immediate onset of die-off? Thanks, anyway, I prefer death by attrition.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 03 Apr 2012, 20:30:22

Read "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed" by Jared Diamond or "Collapse of Complex Societies" by Joseph Tainter and get back to me about how unlikely it is for civilization to suddenly hit a tipping point and go off the edge into collapse.

The thing to keep in mind, is that to most people, everything seems fine, until suddenly it is not.
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby Kristen » Tue 03 Apr 2012, 23:00:41

Peak Oil is merely innocent speculation and ideations on what the future in Energy will be. There have been many failed predictions, like in 2005, when members were convinced by 2010 our national grid wouldn't be functional. Although those who predicted a plateau during the 0's with recessions caused by high oil prices (Which is due to a slue of factors) may still me proven right, Perhaps this happenstance (managed decline) will play out over many decades.
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Re: I was a member of this forum in 2003/2004

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 04 Apr 2012, 00:34:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'P')eak Oil is merely innocent speculation and ideations on what the future in Energy will be. There have been many failed predictions, like in 2005, when members were convinced by 2010 our national grid wouldn't be functional. Although those who predicted a plateau during the 0's with recessions caused by high oil prices (Which is due to a slue of factors) may still me proven right, Perhaps this happenstance (managed decline) will play out over many decades.

I'm pessimistic, given the quality of our leaders and the judgement they've shown so far.

As I type this, I'm looking at usdebtclock.org, fascinated by 15.6 trillion in debt and $137,784 per taxpayer. The jacka$$es running the show in both parties could ruin a free lunch.

I give 10 to 20 years before things implode in the US to a dire level; all my preps should be done in 12. (food, solar, water, underground shipping container shelter)
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

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