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Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter drones

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 24 Mar 2012, 06:59:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Flying Robots Deliver Tacos To Your Location

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Easy Ordering On Your Smartphone
Just tap and let the machines do the rest.

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http://tacocopter.com/


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ndeed, the concept behind Tacocopter is very simple, and very American: You order tacos on your smartphone and also beam in your GPS location information. Your order -- and your location -- are transmitted to an unmanned drone helicopter (grounded, near the kitchen where the tacos are made), and the tacocopter is then sent out with your food to find you and deliver your tacos to wherever you're standing.

You pay online, so the tacos are simply dropped off at your feet by the drone helicopter, which then flies back to the restaurant to pick up its next order.

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Well, put down your smartphones, because here comes some bad news: The launch of Tacocopter -- which is totally real, by the way, despite some doubters, and has been around since July 2011 -- is being blocked by the U.S. government.

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"Current U.S. FAA regulations prevent ... using UAVs [Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, like drones] for commercial purposes at the moment," Simpson said over Gchat. "Honestly I think it's not totally unreasonable to regulate something as potentially dangerous as having flying robots slinging tacos over people's heads ... [O]n the other hand, it's a little bit ironic that that's the case in a country where you can be killed by drone with no judicial review."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/tacocopter-startup-delivers-tacos-by-unmanned-drone-helicopter_n_1375842.html


Website says the company is in "closed beta," looks like you can try to sign up for it if you live in SF.

Anyhow.. this is what I've been talking about.. the coming age of robotics, gradually replacing previously paid human labor, in every sector of employment.

It's certainly a brilliant idea, only hampered by the FAA for the moment. Not exactly new tech but an ingenious coming together of techs -- smartphones, GPS, plus the drone. It would certainly be a lot more fuel efficient and deliveries would be faster without any traffic.

It's probably safe, I'm guessing you step outside to your yard or parking lot at work, the drone then drops your package from a safe enough height to keep your tacos from breaking yet out of reach of anyone who may try to grab onto the drone or whatever.

So here's the future. Netflix and the net killed the video stores. Now drones will do the pizza and food delivery. Hell, maybe drones can take a lot of UPS and mail carrier jobs too. Oh I know, all those working class people don't matter -- let them eat cake, let them develop iPhone apps.
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Postby AdTheNad » Sat 24 Mar 2012, 08:12:57

if it makes me laugh out loud that usually makes me think it's a piss take. I mean I know fuel efficiency of vehicles is bad, but is it so bad that keeping a light vehicle airborne is cheaper?

Oil is clearly still far too cheap.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 24 Mar 2012, 08:38:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', 'i')f it makes me laugh out loud that usually makes me think it's a piss take. I mean I know fuel efficiency of vehicles is bad, but is it so bad that keeping a light vehicle airborne is cheaper?


These aren't much more advanced than toys:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')Phone Remote Control Toy Helicopter
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http://www.kids-toy-online.com/tag/remote-control-helicopter/


I imagine once those drones get ramped up, you're probably looking at $500 to buy one. Maybe they're even electric powered -- how much lift would be needed for a bag of tacos or a pizza? Not much.

Compare that to the cost of a human delivery worker. $15k - $20k ish in annual wages. Add in all the HR overhead, management staff. Now add in all the workplace liability insurance costs, add in health and other benefits (that could be another $10k or so a year). The pizza chains pay their drivers a gas allowance, that's got to add up I'm sure. So you come out to probably around $40k in sum total costs for a human worker, versus probably $500 - $5,000 max one time cost for this robot. Even at a high end cost you could replace the robot 8 times in a year and it would still be cheaper than a human.

A big chain like Pizza Hut or Dominoes could save a lot of money if they could let go most of their human drivers.

In related news, Amazon bought a warehouse robot company. I'm sure they'd like to eliminate those thousands of warehouse jobs for humans:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Amazon buys army of robots

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Amazon is buying Kiva Systems, a manufacturer of bright orange robots that scuttle around warehouses filling orders, for $775 million.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/20/technology/amazon-kiva-robots/


I'm tellin' ya, cubicle paper pushers are going to love their robot-delivered tacos, and all the other robots, until one day a robot or AI software is developed that takes THEIR job. It's all rolling on the floor laughing until you get a pink slip.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby rangerone314 » Sat 24 Mar 2012, 10:27:25

I love how some people think that in the future robots will do all the work and everyone will be living in a paradise. No, a handful of people will "own" the robots, and everyone else will starve while a handful of people have anything they want. Give or take energy and die off.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby Novus » Sat 24 Mar 2012, 13:05:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', 'i')f it makes me laugh out loud that usually makes me think it's a piss take. I mean I know fuel efficiency of vehicles is bad, but is it so bad that keeping a light vehicle airborne is cheaper?

Oil is clearly still far too cheap.


The Tacocopter likey represents an efficiency over driving there oneself in a 4000 pound automobile. A ten minute trip through traffic could be a 2 minute journey for the Tacocopter through the air. Additionally the Tacocopter could potentially combine trips and deliver to multiple people thus getting several cars off the road. Expect more of these types of services as gas becomes more expensive.

It is not all about the gee wiz technology either. The story of the tacocopter reminds me of the Pneumatic Transport Company that operated in New York City in the 1890s. They installed miles and miles air tubes all over the city to transport small packages in a capsule similar to the ones found in bank drive thrues. They were put out of business by cheap automobiles and cheap gas in the early 1900s. Something like that could one day come back to cities all over the world.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 24 Mar 2012, 14:26:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')The Tacocopter likey represents an efficiency over driving there oneself in a 4000 pound automobile. A ten minute trip through traffic could be a 2 minute journey for the Tacocopter through the air. Additionally the Tacocopter could potentially combine trips and deliver to multiple people thus getting several cars off the road. Expect more of these types of services as gas becomes more expensive.

Agreed. It is amazing how quickly science fiction now comes to approximate reality. In the novella "Fast Times at Fairmont High", a near-future story about how quickly technology like dirt cheap and simple networking, and the exponential level of change of software, etc. would completely transform society until high school kids would have the electronic capabilities (and the know-how to utilize them) that would be unimaginable at the time. That was written almost precisely ONE decade ago.

One of the features in the story was rockets that the likes of Fedex would use to deliver packages in just minutes to hours from when you ordered things you wanted online. These were so ingrained into society that it was illegal (serious misdemeanor if memory serves) to interfere with the rocket. It would deliver you your package. You would take the package and set the rocket in a clear area. It would then wait a bit, and launch itself and return itself to the sender.

And now 10 years later here we are. Although not global in reach -- copters of this ilk are likely FAR cheaper, more efficient, and much more readily reusable long term than the rockets that the popular futurist/novelist Vernor Vinge envisioned.

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Note -- this is an example of why I'm a moderate. Yes, collectively society is stupid and yes, we are consuming too much and multiplying too fast. OTOH, we are VERY adaptive -- and hopefully if enough evidence presents itself we will wake up and (at gigantic expense), invest the resources to save ourselves at a sustainable level of population and resource usage (however small that may be).
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 04:46:31

Once widely available, I bet some of these devices will be hacked to deliver grenade and some more clever versions will carry gun turret on board.
Some video capacity would be a very handy feature in latter version.

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They could land in your garden, assuming you have any.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 07:23:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'O')nce widely available, I bet some of these devices will be hacked to deliver grenade and some more clever versions will carry gun turret on board.
Some video capacity would be a very handy feature in latter version.

@Pstarr,
They could land in your garden, assuming you have any.


Uhm, EU, those kinds of drones already exist and they're quite a bit more advanced than the tacocopter.

But you're onto something. Here's a multi-billion dollar idea for any investors out there -- be the first to develop copter drones with law enforcement applications. Not full-on military combat drones, something in between like this tacocopter -- think about it, these things could patroll the city with video cams and 4g network link to a live police operator who can get on the speaker.

It's a billion dollar idea. Police departments expend a lot of manpower and money just responding to burglar alarm calls (almost all false alarms). With a fleet of cheap copterdrones they could just fly one of those out in repsonse, all automated, and it when it gets there some outsourced operator in India can look at the cam video over the internet. If they see something amiss then they escalate the ticket to a local cop to take a look.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 07:44:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'O')nce widely available, I bet some of these devices will be hacked to deliver grenade and some more clever versions will carry gun turret on board.
Some video capacity would be a very handy feature in latter version.

@Pstarr,
They could land in your garden, assuming you have any.


Uhm, EU, those kinds of drones already exist and they're quite a bit more advanced than the tacocopter.

However they are out of reach certain classes of evil peoples (albeit available to those connected with government...), and tacocopter would be available to grab for example for middle rank drug dealers who would do some moderately complicated DIY to weaponize it.
And hey, it could easily become to be a low risk drug carrier too...
Entire fleets will be taking off into air from Mexico soon... and deliver packages to remote and yet precisely known locations with aid of GPS.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut you're onto something. Here's a multi-billion dollar idea for any investors out there -- be the first to develop copter drones with law enforcement applications. Not full-on military combat drones, something in between like this tacocopter -- think about it, these things could patroll the city with video cams and 4g network link to a live police operator who can get on the speaker.

Yes,
Just airborne surveilance cops.

OK, it seems that we are making both police officers and drug smugglers obsolete.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby AdTheNad » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 08:18:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'O')nce widely available, I bet some of these devices will be hacked to deliver grenade and some more clever versions will carry gun turret on board.
Some video capacity would be a very handy feature in latter version.

I've never fired a gun, but wouldn't kick back be a problem for a very light copter? The grenades could work.

I can see copter hunting becoming a growing sport. Hunting with copters and also hunting the copters.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 09:29:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'O')nce widely available, I bet some of these devices will be hacked to deliver grenade and some more clever versions will carry gun turret on board.
Some video capacity would be a very handy feature in latter version.

I've never fired a gun, but wouldn't kick back be a problem for a very light copter? The grenades could work.

Good point.
However you can balance a gun and abolish kickback by releasing part of combustion gas towards back.
Think how bazooka works and what would happen to soldier if such facility wasn't there...
Nevertheless there would be a problem with accuracy for sure.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby rangerone314 » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 10:25:58

I do wonder if certain government agencies aren't encouraging or funding this in order to get people acclimated to the idea of drones in their daily lives, to get people used to drones spying on them, etc. I think it is a warm up, just like searches in the airport are a warm up, for a police state.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby efarmer » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 11:05:07

Now all we need is the Nancy Grace story:

"A tacocopter was lost on a mission over Dallas tonight. Of the six tacos aboard, only one survived,and the other five had to be identified from fragments. We have an exclusive interview with the father of the taco's and will be bringing this to you in the next hour. We also understand that at least 7 packets of El Scorcho hot sauce were strewn about the disaster area, but they all remained intact and will be removed by a tacocopter hazmat video drone ground crew who are right now rushing to the scene on GPS guided electric bicycles. We are happy to report the young man who ordered the tacocopter mission is dazed but OK with the exception of a sprained thumb from valiant and frantic operation of the touch screen on his smartphone as the disaster unfolded. When we spoke with him he said the shock had worn off and he was going to heat up a can of ravioli that was gifted to him by a concerned neighbor.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby Ibon » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 14:07:48

Why don't we develop drones to manage our permaculture farms....you know let nature and drones do all the work so we can masterbate away the day on our computers?
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Postby basil_hayden » Sun 25 Mar 2012, 14:19:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'W')hy don't we develop drones to manage our permaculture farms....you know let nature and drones do all the work so we can masterbate away the day on our computers?


Sounds like a sticky situation.

Let's have the drones just deliver tacos, or maybe an ice cold water bottle while hiking the Appalachian Trail on a hot day.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby Poordogabone » Tue 27 Mar 2012, 02:41:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;Current U.S. FAA regulations prevent ... using UAVs [Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, like drones] for commercial purposes at the moment,"


Thank god! as if there wasn't enough annoying polluting noisy contraptions around us. Anyway those things will be too costly to operate, maintain and replace (crashes will happen). Unless they deliver caviar for the rich elite this is a pure joke.
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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby radon » Wed 28 Mar 2012, 04:44:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')ncomfortably for F-35 proponents, UAS already combine all the elements of fifth-generation fighters but in a more economical form. BAE System's Taranis and Northrop Grumman's X-47 are highly stealthy, and the former is experimenting with drones that have no moveable surfaces at all, further reducing radar signatures.

UAS data fusion, meanwhile, happens on the ground among teams of pilots and operators who can specialize in specific flying, monitoring and combat functions. Without pilots, or the equipment they need to fight, breathe, eject, navigate, or fight, UAVs are smaller, lighter and cheaper. And despite the professional affinity for manned flight, combat pilots may soon concede the skies.

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Re: Tacocopter: company delivers food with robotic copter dr

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 28 Mar 2012, 08:22:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')here will always be a real live person at the other end controlling the "drone" with a joystick, just like in Pakistan. These things may be called "drones" but they all require a human eye and mind to acquire the target (which in Pakistan is is usually an entire building.) What would the drone helicopter do in NYC? Drop the pizza on the stoop? It's always going to be cheaper to hire a person "of color."


I think the tacocopters are totally automated, using GPS.

And yes, the tacocopter would "drop it on the stoop." Presumably it has collision avoidance in the software. You'd step out your door to order the tacos. Nobody is going mess with the tacocopter on purpose -- first you're wasting your money, secondly you get no tacos and lols vs. tacos -- tacos win.

It would probably work out. Stop signs seem irrational, yet they mostly work out folks stop like they're supposed to. Pizza delivery works -- sure some play jokes and there's some waste but on the whole it works.

As for joysticks and drones.. that's just an example of efficiency. One remote human operator in a cubicle can patch in as needed to take over flight, that's more efficient than a pilot for each vehicle ergo requiring fewer pilot jobs.
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