[pea-jay]

depends how its coached...an occupation stye "protective force" will almost draw the ire and perhaps insurgency. A force that develops out of local relief efforts will like draw a peaceful response. Don't under estimate the value of a stable food and water supply in combination with a heavy bombardment of TV propaganda and/or mindless programming.

That said, I don't the government will pull off a sucessful occupation of US cities, at least for long. Energetically and financially it will be come unsustainable.

[Gilatif]

Well, US soldiers would never fire on US citizens. That and the fact there are constitutional safeguards against it.

More than likely, a weak willed US president like John Kerry would beg the UN for help in our time of national crisis. The jackboots at the UN would be all too willing to send a peace keeping occupation force to round up and collect our firearms. And that is when all hell breaks loose. People who support the treasonous president who turned our national sovereignty over to an organization that hates us and wants to make us bankroll their corruption would be lynched by mobs while the local police looked the other way.

The UN soldiers occupying the US would be thinking that the US occupiers in Iraq had it easy by comparison. The hate the rest of the world has for the US is NOTHING in comparison to what we feel towards the hypocrites at the UN.

[hoplite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, US soldiers would never fire on US citizens. That and the fact there are constitutional safeguards against it.

[aahala]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hoplite', 'I')f there is a period of social unrest, how long will FEMA be able to curfew cities and blockade refugee streams (the head for the hills crowd)?. I mean hell, the combined might of the US MIlitary can't stop the massive flow of arms and insurgent activity in Iraq, can anyone argue that they could do better here in the US?

[drew]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, US soldiers would never fire on US citizens. That and the fact there are constitutional safeguards against it.

[Gilatif]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, US soldiers would never fire on US citizens. That and the fact there are constitutional safeguards against it.

[k_semler]

*cough* Pax Americana *cough* *cough* Lights Out *cough* *cough* Lost In Alabama *cough* Fugal Squirrels *cough* *cough*

[hoplite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hoplite', 'I')f there is a period of social unrest, how long will FEMA be able to curfew cities and blockade refugee streams (the head for the hills crowd)?. I mean hell, the combined might of the US MIlitary can't stop the massive flow of arms and insurgent activity in Iraq, can anyone argue that they could do better here in the US?

[NickB79]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ore than likely, a weak willed US president like John Kerry would beg the UN for help in our time of national crisis. The jackboots at the UN would be all too willing to send a peace keeping occupation force to round up and collect our firearms. And that is when all hell breaks loose. People who support the treasonous president who turned our national sovereignty over to an organization that hates us and wants to make us bankroll their corruption would be lynched by mobs while the local police looked the other way.
The UN soldiers occupying the US would be thinking that the US occupiers in Iraq had it easy by comparison. The hate the rest of the world has for the US is NOTHING in comparison to what we feel towards the hypocrites at the UN.

[drew]

I don't want to come off as patronizing or sexist to our female members, Gilatif, but one of the dead at Ohio was a woman around 20. I'm sure she was a threat to a fully armed guardsman. I have heard she was trying to stick a flower in the barrel of his weapon. Who knows?? As for other civil unrest, certainly cops kill citizens, and maybe soldiers too. There were race riots in Newark and Detroit sparked by police brutality. The army was called in both times; 23 and 27 died respectively, with arrests in the thousands and injuries in the high hundreds. I don't want to slag on members of the army or police BTW, since their occupations are rather unpleasant, however, there are members of both forces who join specifically to be cruel and barbaric. These individuals are in all societies also. Many mental health professionals would see evidince of these desires in 10% of a population. Unfortunately, psychlogical screenening will not always weed out these bad apples.

Drew, who was born in '63, and reads history

[born2respawn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hoplite', 'I')f there is a period of social unrest, how long will FEMA be able to curfew cities and blockade refugee streams (the head for the hills crowd)?. I mean hell, the combined might of the US MIlitary can't stop the massive flow of arms and insurgent activity in Iraq, can anyone argue that they could do better here in the US?

[Half-Mad]

The police and military would only really be interested in the cities, and perhaps larger towns. If large crowds of people start trying to break out of the cities, I doubt the military would think twice about firing on them.

The rural areas won't matter much to them. As long as if you aren't planning on driving around shooting people and stealing stuff. That will mostly be happening in the cities, with the mob mentality and riots.

Most of the people here are likely very nice calm people. And when the crash happens, if you remain alone, or with your family, will likely remain calm. But, put the majority of the people here in the middle of a panicing crowd, and it becomes time for senseless destruction and time to get a new TV, or butter churn.

[Trab]

I'm inclined to agree with Kunstler's theory that as the 'crisis' (to use his terminology) deepens, the government will become less and less effective, and be able to exert control over less of the country. Over time, they will have to pick critical areas to control, and more or less abdicate control over larger swathes of the country. Other groups would likely step in to fill the gap, but overall, I agree him his idea that we will revert to more local control. Whether that's good or bad is yet to be seen.

Depending on where in the US you may be, the idea of a strong federal goverment will become a thing of the past if things play out this way. More unsubstantiated theorizing.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

I could see the US gov't offering food for arms. You turn in your gun and we'll give you extra food.

[Armageddon]

just watched alex jones' martial law 911 documentary: one word, wow. its a must see. i just wish alex could connects the dots and see how oil is behind the U.S. motive also, and not just world domination. but really, the two go hand in hand.

[skiwi]

Don't forget that he encourages you to copy it and give it away.
Though I differ with him on his religious views I agree more than disagree with him

[UIUCstudent01]

Heh, I'm annoyed by him. He's like the Rush Limbaugh of the free internet-news. He's loud and aggressive and sensationalizes and might even just lie a bit as well. (He doesn't carry himself as someone you should trust because of his knowledge, but because he shouts at you.) The documentary didn't really 'hit' me. Not like "End of Suburbia" or "The Corporation" or others.

What exactly was so great about? That the U.S. is a hyper-power and wants to keep that way. (They post it on their website, psst.)
Alex going to protests and such and being blocked is interesting just because the protestors are planned for and pretty much marginalized. (I don't know if it was in the 'documentary' or another of his videos, but when he and the communists start yelling at each other for being 'they' - I found that hilarious.)

[Armageddon]

i liked how he revealed the skull and bones stuff. and his 911 foreknowledge by the u.s. government is irrefutable. i also liked end of suburbia , very good stuff

[Jdelagado]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'H')eh, I'm annoyed by him. He's like the Rush Limbaugh of the free internet-news. He's loud and aggressive and sensationalizes and might even just lie a bit as well. (He doesn't carry himself as someone you should trust because of his knowledge, but because he shouts at you.) The documentary didn't really 'hit' me. Not like "End of Suburbia" or "The Corporation" or others. What exactly was so great about? That the U.S. is a hyper-power and wants to keep that way. (They post it on their website: psst.)
Alex going to protests and such and being blocked is interesting just because the protestors are planned for and pretty much marginalized. (I don't know if it was in the 'documentary' or another of his videos, but when he and the communists start yelling at each other for being 'they' -I found that hilarious.)

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jdelagado', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'H')eh, I'm annoyed by him. He's like the Rush Limbaugh of the free internet-news. He's loud and aggressive and sensationalizes and might even just lie a bit as well. (He doesn't carry himself as someone you should trust because of his knowledge, but because he shouts at you.) The documentary didn't really 'hit' me. Not like "End of Suburbia" or "The Corporation" or others. What exactly was so great about? That the U.S. is a hyper-power and wants to keep that way. (They post it on their website: psst.)

Alex going to protests and such and being blocked is interesting just because the protestors are planned for and pretty much marginalized. (I don't know if it was in the 'documentary' or another of his videos, but when he and the communists start yelling at each other for being 'they' - I found that hilarious.)