[babystrangeloop]

Cornucopianism is also cool, just ask an apologist.

[SeaGypsy]

All words are loaded. Vile, is a very loaded word. Criticism is warranted and welcome. My reading is that there are 2 totally different meanings to creationism. One is the Bible based standard Christian Science perspective. Another (the one I use) is that science has not (nor do I believe ever will) explain the jump from elemental physics to biology. This massive hole in science leaves plenty of room for conjecture. The conjecture leaves plenty of room for critique. 'Vile' is not a critique usually used in intellectual/ scientific debates. Pretentious. Willfully ignorant. Absolutely lacking in credibility. These are valid critiques, particularly of the first definition.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'C')reationism, is without a doubt, bad science. But do you even care WHY its bad science? It isn't its truth or false-ness; its the method. There is nothing experimental, repeatable, testable about creationism, it isn't properly falsifiable, it is, a horrible blob of regurgitated doctrine, wrapped in an equally worthless bag of technobabble in an attempt to appear scientific.

[FarQ3]

This is comment is aimed at most of you. I believe in many of the same things that you all do. I am a very intelligent man and yet I also believe in Christ's teachings. Are you saying that this makes me any less intelligent than someone that doesn't feel the need to explore the realm of life other than what is presented before them.

How much 'scientific fact' is really 'a given' in that much of last century's scientific fact has been proven incorrect and even misleading. We all have 'faith' in our own way, only some people are blind to that fact.

Yes, comparing cornucopianism to creationism or any other facet of christian teaching is offensive to christians. It doesn't take an intelligent person to realise that.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') suppose I used "Creationism" as a euphemism for "bad science". Should I apologize?

Once it was almost universally believed that the universe revolved around the Earth. As astronomy developed systems which depicted planets going around the Earth started to show deficiencies which made them impossible to use without making corrections. Rather than abandon the fundamental idea that the Earth was at the center modifications were made to the model of the Earth at center. A major modification was called "epicycles" that described the planets as not only going around the Earth but also being attached to invisible spheres that rotated causing effects.

Fast-forward to now and you will find that there are "epicycle apologists"

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FarQ3', 'T')his is comment is aimed at most of you. I believe in many of the same things that you all do. I am a very intelligent man and yet I also believe in Christ's teachings. Are you saying that this makes me any less intelligent than someone that doesn't feel the need to explore the realm of life other than what is presented before them.

How much 'scientific fact' is really 'a given' in that much of last century's scientific fact has been proven incorrect and even misleading. We all have 'faith' in our own way, only some people are blind to that fact.

Yes, comparing cornucopianism to creationism or any other facet of christian teaching is offensive to christians. It doesn't take an intelligent person to realise that.

[Cog]

Putting down the bong would help you wake up more easily VM.

Just saying.

[vision-master]

Graham Hancock - DNA, LSD & Francis Crick

[FarQ3]

Well SeaGypsy, I am not Greco Roman as you proclaim, you know sweet FA about me as a matter of fact. I am Australian Christian if you wish to 'label' me. As for the bible being politically slanted, that's your point of view and I respect that but agree to disagree. As for the reference to the word 'created' modern translation of ancient hebrew has often been found to be lacking in comparison to the ancient latin translation. There was actually a hebrew word that could be translated to the word 'made' which isn't all that dissimilar to the word created, what do you want to believe?

I don't really want to come to a peak oil website and debate religious beliefs, or vilification as it may be. I come here for intelligent information about peak oil related matters. I'm a firm believer that we are past the peak of worldwide oil production (conventional crude) and on the slide to what will be a biblically apocalyptic cesation of things as we know them.

[vision-master]

The Apocalypse means 'lifting of the veil' . Why do Christian wankers spin everything into 'end of the world'. lsol

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')he Apocalypse means 'lifting of the veil' . Why do Christian wankers spin everything into 'end of the world'. lsol

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')he Apocalypse means 'lifting of the veil' . Why do Christian wankers spin everything into 'end of the world'. lsol

[FarQ3]

VM, do you know how pathetic it is calling people names on a website. A gutless act, absolutely gutless to the max. I stated 'biblically apocalyptic cesation of things as we know them' if you can read there is nothing there about end of the world. In biblical terms it's actually all about a change to a new beginning.

[vision-master]

So what's next, report my post. lol

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FarQ3', 'T')his is comment is aimed at most of you. I believe in many of the same things that you all do. I am a very intelligent man and yet I also believe in Christ's teachings. Are you saying that this makes me any less intelligent than someone that doesn't feel the need to explore the realm of life other than what is presented before them.

How much 'scientific fact' is really 'a given' in that much of last century's scientific fact has been proven incorrect and even misleading. We all have 'faith' in our own way, only some people are blind to that fact.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FarQ3', 'I') don't really want to come to a peak oil website and debate religious beliefs, or vilification as it may be. I come here for intelligent information about peak oil related matters. I'm a firm believer that we are past the peak of worldwide oil production (conventional crude) and on the slide to what will be a biblically apocalyptic cesation of things as we know them.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', ' ') I am writing about Cornucopianism.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')reationism (young earth creationism) is CLEARLY nonsense to anyone willing to objectively look at a simply overwhelming (and growing) mountain of scientific evidence. (Whatever your theology may be - that is another issue).

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FarQ3', 'W')ell SeaGypsy, I am not Greco Roman as you proclaim, you know sweet FA about me as a matter of fact. I am Australian Christian if you wish to 'label' me. As for the bible being politically slanted, that's your point of view and I respect that but agree to disagree.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A')ll words are loaded. Vile, is a very loaded word. Criticism is warranted and welcome. My reading is that there are 2 totally different meanings to creationism. One is the Bible based standard Christian Science perspective. Another (the one I use) is that science has not (nor do I believe ever will) explain the jump from elemental physics to biology. This massive hole in science leaves plenty of room for conjecture. The conjecture leaves plenty of room for critique. 'Vile' is not a critique usually used in intellectual/ scientific debates. Pretentious. Willfully ignorant. Absolutely lacking in credibility. These are valid critiques, particularly of the first definition.