[KevO]

Matt at LATOC - the original peak oil awreness site is moving from primarily peak oil awareness to survival, maybe we all should to!

- the statement at site is

"I'm in the process of redesigning and streamlining this site, more with an eye to personal preparation than documenting the daily developments in the oil markets. There will still be a breaking news section, but the focus will be more on economic/financial issues and personal survival. I should have the new version up and running within a couple days.

Given the recent avanlache of mainstream/high profile stories about Peak Oil, I think it's safe to say the cat is officially out of the bag - at least for anybody with more than three brain cells on duty.

For those of us in that category, the focus needs to be on making sure we don't end up like this.(at link)

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/BreakingNews.html

[Pops]

Been here all along:

http://www.peakoil.com/forum8.html

BTW, glad to see Matt has finally decided that PO is survivable ;>)

[Pops]

Sorry Matt, I just visited your prepare page and see you started putting up resources quite a while ago, good for you.

[Raxozanne]

That must mean that my family has less than three brain cells...

[Colorado-Valley]

Is generalized public knowledge of peak oil a good thing?

The AP article showed up in the Denver Post this morning, and the guys at the town coffee table just laughed and said, "Don't tell Don, we'll never hear the end of it."

The AP article's premise is that pessimists believe it may happen this decade, rather than 40 years from now. But the optimists say we'll have plenty of time to switch to alternative fuel.

That's the only part they saw. Peak oil's no big deal, because it's WAY in the future, and by then we'll just switch to ethanol without a skip.

I would seriously doubt that more than 1 percent of Americans will do anything to prepare for energy depletion.

[Tyler_JC]

I consider this news to be bad .

Moving from PO awareness to survivalism right now means that we have given up hope of a peaceful transition. We know longer believe that a soft crash is possible and now we have to stock up on the guns/ammo.

Have we really given up hope? Or have we built ourselves an ivory tower of doom that doesn't allow for solutions?

If it is true that no solution will ever be found, fine. But let's not stop trying to educate the masses and find one!

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'M')att at LATOC - the original peak oil awreness site is

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') consider this news to be bad .

Moving from PO awareness to survivalism right now means that we have given up hope of a peaceful transition. !

[Tyler_JC]

Good point, but it would not hurt to have a few more people on board before we shut the window of opportunity. We may never find a solution (and I doubt one exists) but there are certain things that would help soften the blow. A large-scale investment in renewable energy projects would be more helpful than a continued subsidy of Big Oil (Re. Bush’s energy “plan”).

I have to believe that there are smart, cunning, strong, etcetera people out there who aren’t aware of PO yet. It doesn’t hurt to teach them the basics. They might be useful to us Peakers in the future. But we will never know what good they could do if we prevent them from learning about the issue.

Maybe I’m being naïve, but I’m not going to give up all hope at this point. Representative Bartlett of Maryland is trying to spread awareness about Peak Oil in Congress and on C-SPAN. He even mentions you ever now and then. It does him a disservice to stop trying to reach the masses with your website. But far be it for me to stop you, I’m just asking you to reconsider.

[PhilBiker]

How bout we drop the dumb star trek and matrix sci-fi analogies, they're not helping us deal with the reality of the situation and they're not helping with our believability. But then credibility isn't on everyone's peak oil agenda. I thought you left with a big public huff and a puff Matt.

[Zentric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'H')ow bout we drop the dumb star trek and matrix sci-fi analogies, they're not helping us deal with the reality of the situation and they're not helping with our believability. But then credibility isn't on everyone's peak oil agenda. I thought you left with a big public huff and a puff Matt.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'M')att at LATOC - the original peak oil awreness site is

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', ' ') But then credibility isn't on everyone's peak oil agenda. I thought you left with a big public huff and a puff Matt.

[KevO]

[quote="Tyler_JC"

It was that kind of stuff that scared Matt off in the first place. We don't need a repeat of the JayHMorrison affair.[/quote]

LATOC is IMHO _THE_ best place to be introduced to peak oil.
The intro is unbeatable and everyone I know who has read that cannot find a reasonable argument against PO.
In fact it was mentioned in our local newspaper recently (25000 circulation) with the lines,

"choosing to learn about peak oil is deciding to take the red pill and www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net shows you just how deep the rabbit hole goes"

Did you get a noticable hit increase last Thursday to Sunday Matt?

KevO

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', ' ')

Moving from PO awareness to survivalism right now

[FatherOfTwo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')t was that kind of stuff that scared Matt off in the first place. We don't need a repeat of the JayHMorrison affair.

[Tyler_JC]

There is a different set up to a website dedicated to "spreading the word" in comparison to one dedicated to individual plans. Because Matt's site is very high on the list of Peak Oil websites, it is more productive for his to be a "spreading the word" site.

If someone has never heard of PO before, which forum is more useful, The Basics or Planning for the Future? Naturally The Basics is more useful. Until the PO aware are a large group of people, I suggest that we focus on education rather than preparation. I'm just saying this out of personal experience. If I had stumbled across a economic issues and personal survival website rather than the old LATOC, I might have dismissed it as survivalist drivel.

And attacking Matt Savinar's credibility is so 6 months ago PhilBiker.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', ' ')
And attacking Matt Savinar's credibility is so 6 months ago PhilBiker.

[Tyler_JC]

This thread was the reason we created the Hall of Flames.

Matt Savinar and a wasted life...

Basically JayHMorrison called Matt a moron with no experience or credibility. Matt defended himself and for EIGHT PAGES, they flamed each other. It finally came down to Matt calling Jay a "whining, arrogant, ball-less crybaby" and when MonteQuest tried to edit one of Jay's posts, he went crazy. He started flooding the board and attacking MQ personally. After about a week of chaos Jay was banned for a week and things eventually went back to normal. However, Matt was upset over the whole thing and left. To this day Matt hasn't really rejoined the board. And everytime he does, someone questions his credibility and scares him off.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'H')ow bout we drop the dumb star trek and matrix sci-fi analogies, they're not helping us deal with the reality of the situation and they're not helping with our believability. But then credibility isn't on everyone's peak oil agenda. I thought you left with a big public huff and a puff Matt.